Right now, it’s a little rough to be a CASTLE fan. Beckett and Castle
aren’t on the best terms. (Heck, they didn’t really even work together
last episode.) And of course, the breaks between new episodes isn’t
helping matters. But hopefully, what I have here can help make the wait
for the next new episode, “Headhunters,” a little bit easier.
As you guys know, I talked with CASTLE creator Andrew Marlowe on Monday, and while what I posted then was more focused on “The Limey” and a potential season 5, there was of course more to our conversation.
Take a look at what Marlowe had to say about the season finale (including that
title), who is coming back, which characters will be getting some big
moments as we head towards the end of the season, and what he has to say
to the fans who are currently unhappy with where Beckett and Castle are
at in their relationship…
It’s reported that the season finale, as of now, it’s being called “Always.” Is that the 100% confirmed title?
Andrew Marlowe: It’s my title for it. The studio and network haven’t told me to change it yet!
Well, with that title, there’s bound to be a level of
expectation from fans. Was there any extra pressure as you guys were
writing the episode to be like, “Okay, if we name it this, it needs to
have a certain amount of X in it so the audience doesn’t get
disappointed”?
AM: I think there’s always that obligation and there’s
always that obligation to be both satisfying and maddening in a season
finale. And we know that’s our obligation and that’s what we’re hoping
to live up to. And it will be up to the fans to tell us whether we’ve
achieved what we wanted to achieve.
For the full interview visit Give Me My Remote.
Always!
ReplyDeleteI don't know if I'm more worried, less worried, or equally worried. This could be so good, and yet they could screw it up so much.. Either love it or hate it.. Well, let's hope we love it.
ReplyDeleteeverything goes back to always i cant wai for the final 3 eps
ReplyDelete"...he’s always talking about CIA conspiracies, so it certainly fits in with everything he talks about. [Laughs] But then again, he talks about ninjas and zombies. And we’re tackling zombies this year, so maybe next year it will be ninjas"
ReplyDeleteI'm kind of scared with what they did in the last episodes, but seriously; all I can think about is how awesome it would be if Castle had a ninja episode.
hahah it would be hilarious!
Deletei feel lied to..marlowe said earlier in prior interviews that castles secret would be out before the finale..and now it sounds like marlowe is saying it wont be until the finale episode...really disappointing.
ReplyDeletewe all already knew they were going to talk about their secrets. I want to know if we will at least see a kiss!!! fingers crossed
ReplyDeleteWell, as usual, we don't know anything except that (for Castle & Beckett), they'll have a real talk and, certainly end the season apart...
ReplyDeleteI totally agree.
Deletei feel like there is so many things that have to be adressed that with only three episodes left, its like how are they going to fit it all??
ReplyDeleteso based on this article
beckett's dad is returning
castle and beckett talk to each other about their secrets
castle secrete comes out
alexis graduates from high school
becketts mothers murder is addressed
her shooter is addressed
montgomery story line is revisited
there is so much that needs to be addressed and should be addressed and i want it all too, but i really think each of these issues should really have proper time to develop, i really hope that there not rushed to all fit in the last episode.
You kinda need 5 hours right? I mean really, what were they doing all year long? Its like cramming for the finals .....
DeleteThose are really hot topics that need eniugh time and screen space to resolve. Unless the sniper is at the graduation and we are trying to kill many birds with one stone.... Omg i wonder if that could bring in the finale... Huh
I am SO happy that we'll actually get an emotional scene of Alexis' graduation and a graduation speech, yes! I can almost picture proud Castle clapping teary eyed and maybe Beckett will be there?? (Let's hope)
ReplyDeleteYeah I'm also concerned with the timing. I really hope they have enough time to address everything properly. I do not want a rushed Castle and Beckett scene. And I don't want to be left with a cliffhanger where we don't know how their confrontation plays out. I want enough time to be given after the confrontation that we know how it effects them and I hope it rather causes them to make up (and make out) and not pull apart for the summer. Maybe some of the things he talks about will be addressed in 4x22 or maybe 4x23 will be a 2 hour episode? I vote for a two-hour finale.
AM: "And you can’t listen too closely to the fan base because what they say they want isn’t necessarily what they want. And I think that our characters declare what they want more loudly than our fan base does."
ReplyDeleteTo be perfectly honest, I find that insulting. He's coming across as someone who's so in love with his own creation that he can no longer see its shortcomings. The fans are the ones on the outside looking in. We're not in his head. Things may seem all perfect and shiny and well laid out in there... but when you're looking at it from a fan's perspective, you might not be seeing quite the same thing.
AM needs to check his ego and start respecting the people who got this show to the place it is now: the fans.
Great!
Deletetotally agree!
Totally disagree.
DeleteAM is totally correct. If he gave the fans what they say they wanted, the series would be over now because Castle and Beckett would have gotten married in season 2.
Totally agree, this is insulting and arrogant. Do not tell me that you know what I want to see and what I want to see is non continuity, poor pacing and endless stalling of the Kate and Rick relationship, if you choose to annoy your fanbase which are the people who keep your show on the air they will vote with their remotes and eventually switch off.
DeleteAnd it's a joke saying the characters dictate the journey, they have been twisted to fit the plot over the last season just to stall everything. And who is in charge of those characters? Marlowe! Also why is Rick's secret to come out in the last episode when Marlowe previously said they would both come out before - another lie but then he's good at that.
He's had 23 episodes to pace all this out but instead it looks like we are going to get a possible love scene (if you believe other spoilers), a secret is revealed, there is a case to solve and that's just the start. How can you have any decent character development in 45 minutes with all that going on?
As for those saying if he gave the fans what they wanted the show would be over. If you can't think of decent storylines to have Rick and Kate together and still solving cases then it's time he resigned and found a decent writer who can.
I really should stop reading his smug self satisfied interviews.
He can't even pretend to respect the fans, then I forgot he doesn't have to because he knows better than me what I really want to watch.
Anon @ 6:47
Deleteit's 42 minutes actually, Marlowe said it at this years Paleyfest they only get about 42 minutes of episode time.
Bit insulting I agree about the Marlowe comment! Its like drawing parallel to the fact that sure fans are enraged b/c they are much more prevy to C&B's inside thoughts and emotions....much like the fly on the wall.... Yet the characters only know what they get exposed to!!!! Similarly, marlowe might not see from the viewers perspective b/c we see it from a different angle!!!
ReplyDeleteJust like he expects fan to be patient, he should be open to look at his work through different eyes!
I hope they make it!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvFvxTSzB_I
Could you please show this vid to AM and the writers so they can remember why they have fans and why people are complaining these days? It's not because they don't know what they want. It's because what we want has been established in previous seasons and creators/writers are now letting runaway horses lead them down another path that very few want to go on...
DeleteFun vid!
You know about that huge surprise coming for the finale between Kate and Castle that Jon talked about? I was just wondering, how would Jon know about anything about the finale when Seamus just tweeted today that he go the script for the final episode?
ReplyDeleteYou know, Marlowe - since months - tells us stories and when we got it, a couple of weeks later, he tells us the contrary...Anyway, what he says is never clear...What Stana says is what the fans desire and what Jon Huertas says is what the fans don't want.
DeleteThis is a very simple game, they play. So, we just got to enjoy the show or leave!
It seems to me that ending the season with 5 eps having Kate & Rick with bad relationship is not what will happen...
Nevertheless, what Marlowe says is rather sad, I think.
I think what Jon Huertas meant when he said we would be surprised by Kate and Rick is that they have a direct conversation about their relationship. And I really want to see a kiss!! We didn't have one this year! (except in Castle's imagination)
ReplyDeleteAnd here is how I picture Alexis' graduation speech( I know it's unlikely but a girl can dream...):
[...]
And I would like to thank father for all the support he has always given me and my grandmother for giving me advice whenever I need it.
I also have to mention detective Kate Beckett(she will be right beside Castle of course!), who, I am sure, gave my father advice about me[she looks at Castle meaningfully]. Finally, whatever I told you dad, I hope your love life works better than mine [she looks at Castle and then at Beckett]
btw I CANNOT wait for "Always". <3
Ps: Sorry for the mistakes: I speak french.
I can't help but to ponder what were Nathan and Stana's reactions when they read this script?
ReplyDeleteAnd according to Terri Miller's twitter, they start shooting the season finale tomorrow (Thursday)!!
OMG this interview just made be the happiest girl alive!! I LOVE YOU ANDREW!! :)
ReplyDeleteThat answer to the question about the repetition of the summers apart just killed me right there! He is hesitant because he doesnt want to say BY THIS SEASON THERE WILL BE NO REASON FOR THEM TO BE APART COZ THEY ARE GOING TO BE CASKETT!!! and then we will all need one coz i know for a fact that i wall drop dead of a heart attack!
And you know whats funny i really think that AM has opened up with the info regarding spoilers, i think in this interview he has been the most open he has ever been!!! and its so exciting! if the Castle co. are not anxious coz they know how it ends it can only mean t ends really really well so....ahhhhhhh haha these next 2 eps are gonna kill me!!
-Carina
People should read the entire article at the link. I think it's hilarious how AM is trying so hard to reassure the nutcase fans who are going crazy and deciding they hate the show just because Castle and Beckett are estranged for a couple episodes. This is supposed to be a drama so, of course, the writers have to throw some roadblocks into the relationship to make it more meaningful when things get sorted out in the finale. Without a doubt there will be some kissing, the comments at Paley made that clear. I doubt they will actually do the deed, however, something will intervene and I can't wait to see what that is. I just hope it is outside forces and not more relationship problems.
ReplyDeleteSounds like the next episode will be shitty too.
ReplyDeleteGreat, two weeks to look forward to being totally depressed again.
All I can say is that, Marlowe has jerked fans around for a while now, I would say from mid this season to now, and then to say something about fans not knowing what they want, is really presumptuous of him. Now he knows what's in our heads, what we want and don't want.
ReplyDeleteHe has done a good job but there have been many flaws too. And even through those stupid episodes and ridiculous storylines, and annoying third party charactersm we fans have sat through and watched, him coming out and saying what he did makes him look bad in my books, and downright disrespectful to the fans. We aren't children that need to be told, what to like and what to dislike.
It's his show, he can do what he wants, but don't go speaking for fans, fans he hasn't met, fans he hasn't communicated with.
As for the finale, Im disappointed because now we know castle and Beckett will be at odds till the finale, that's another 2 eps of nonsense, which honestly I'm not looking forward too. I agree with some others, seems like a lot to cramp into 3 eps, but hey AM knows better than any one of us right, he even knows what we want apparently now.
I think castle and Beckett will have a talk but I don't expect much more. Marlowe has used the exact same line of all cards will be on the table for last season finale. And well things didn't turn out well, and they were separated yet again. And really were all cards on the table then? And really will it be on the table this time? One has to wonder because he said the same thing last year.
My policy is simple, I want to enjoy the last few eps we have of this show.something to remember it by. As of now, we still have no idea if there is a season 5, seems probable but I'm not jumping for joy yet. And with the likes that the next 2 will see them apart, and the last one will see them fighting again, because castles secret will come out, is this really something to look forward too? Will I enjoy what's left of this show? Very questionable at the point!
Well we have to wait and see...I love this show and I will watch till the finale, but I have no idea what season 5, if there is one will be like, and if it's anything like season 4, I will be switching channels. If only Marlowe trusted his fans and had more faith in us. Move this relationship along, and we will stay. We want to see the relationship develop and the problems that arise from being in that relationship. We want to see them handle situations while they are together. It will be fun, sweet and saucy rolled into one. It's castle and Beckett for goodness sake, who wouldn't watch them be together.
Anyway that's just my 2 cents worth.
All the way from Malaysia.
Yeah!!!
DeleteI'm with you all the way from Malaysia. Totally agree with all your points on this season and I too will have to review where things stand for season 5. If it's anything like as bad as this season I for one will be tuning out. Of course Marlowe doesn't care because I apparently don't "get it", and I'm impatient (despite having watched every episode since the start) and don't really know what I want.
DeleteAnd why bother making a big fuss about a 5 story arc episode at the end of the season only to have nothing really happen until the finale? Why can't Kate and Rick be talking to each other now, slowly developing things instead of all this cheap melodrama with them acting like kids?
Lets see shall we?
47 seconds - Kate's secret comes out, she doesn't realise Rick knows and they don't talk about it.
The Limey - Kate's secret is out, she doesn't realise Rick knows and they don't talk about it.
Headhunters - Kate's secret is out, okay the rest is guesswork but she doesn't realise Rick knows and they don't talk about it, Rick goes off with new detective.
Undead Again - Kate's secret is out, I'm guessing they still haven't talked about it but we're going to have some fun with zombies as Marlowe has intimated.
Finale - everything comes out.
Marlowe you're a genius at stringing out a story and creating hours of nothing but pointless treading water. By the looks of your spoilers most of us can just wait until the finale in May to find out what the hell happens and save a few hours in front of the TV for the remaining few weeks or so.
I seem to recall Marlowe peddling the same line before about getting their cards on the table and having it all out and what happened? They were separated. Not only does he like repeating storylines he likes repeating himself too. You think he would realise we've noticed by now and are wise to him.
I can't repair the damage he has done to these characters over the last few episodes for me by letting them have sex - I genuinely think he believes that it doesn't matter what you do to them as long as they sleep together the fans who are upset will just forget what you did before. Well unlike Marlowe I like continuity and value my characters integrity so if he doesn't have Kate and Rick behaving like adults and people who do love each other then he will have lost me. That's sad because I truly adored this show until this season.
Hey, this is the Malaysian fan again...at anon 7.21, I just had to laugh at your description of 47 seconds till the finale. That was hilarious. But so very true. I hope we are wrong, but sure seems like this is the way it's going.
DeleteI don't get why he had to wait to dump everything in the finale. We had ample time for bits inserted here and there. Another thing that peeved me is that castles suppose to working on becketts mothers murder, we never got to see anything about that, other than in dial m for mayor. They could have inserted that throughout the season, just little bits here and there, so we know he is actually working on it.
And I really have nothing against Molly or Alexis, but to have some graduation speech in the finale sounds so juvenile to me. As someone else mentioned, is this some high school drama. Dont mean to sound rude, but I really am not bothered to watch her graduate. Maybe it would be fine in any other episode, but not the finale.. Some of his storylines are laughable.
Iloved Kate&Rick. They were a lot of fun to watch.This year they become dark,troubled people. Its depressing to watch them. The fun is gone.
ReplyDeleteIm sure andrew will have B&R back together by seasons end. He will also leave us hanging. Next season everything will be back to normal us fans asking wtwt. Thats what keeps us coming back.Nothing is going to happen between them until the last season.
ReplyDeleteActually that's not what keeps fans coming back. If he drags this out, I guarantee, some fans will walk away. Oddly enough their relationships seems dull now and boring and they aren't together. Marlowe thinks that will they won't they is interesting, but has it been? Honestly ask yourself that, this season has it been? Because to me it hasn't. It's been too long. They need to get on with it already. Make their relationship spicy, because as in Lanie words, this holding pattern will not keep fans.
DeleteMarlow is convinced of his own brilliance in telling his story and forgets that whilst it may be his story he also needs to tell a story that the fans want to watch too.
DeleteI don't want to watch Kate and Rick endlessly circling each other for seasons on end going nowhere. Equally I don't want to watch them have sex, row and then split up, make up and then have sex and so on.
Marlowe apparently thinks that dragging this out endlessly is fun because apparently I don't know what I want and he thinks fans enjoy being frustrated as part of his so called particular brand of entertainment.
I have news for him, I watch shows to be entertained not frustated!
His smug arrogance is seriously embarrassing to behold.
Marlowe seems very arrogant here. Not liking this. Does he really think fans want to dragged along and enjoy watching stupid story lines like Alexis, a high school student suddenly sprouting medical jargon, or the fact that castle, a civilian was allowed to work with the via regarding a case that could wipe out the USA, seriously he thinks we want that. That's what he wants, so stop saying we as fans don't know what we want. We don't want silly unbelievable storylines, if you can't come up with anythingn interesting, at least admit its because of you, and not say its what fans want.
ReplyDeleteHe said this same old same old last year didn't he??? Marlowe needs to get new words to describe his finale because seems like he is reading last years speech.
I have nothing against Molly, but seriously they are going to waste a finale on graduation? Who cares about her damn speech? Oh my god. What is this, Beverly hills 90210?
And to think that we have to endure another two episodes of castles jackassness and becketts cowardness is beyond appalling. I'm so tempted to throw in the towel, and just watch the finale. Skip the next two for we already know how's it s going to be. As much as I love castle, I hate seeing him be a jerk, and for no good reason. I will accept it if it were for a good reason, but really they guy doesn't have the guts to ask, but has the balls to assume. Makes me sick.
Oh please Marlowe, get off your high horse. You are where you are because of the fans. And it's because we know what we what not you! And we certainly don't want anymore ridiculous storylines. There have been loads of that this season.
ReplyDeleteFor someone who claims to be different from hart Hanson, he sure is sounding like him.
Two words for this interview: Damage control. lol
ReplyDeleteFrom his interview, it's very obvious, we can all skip the next two episodes, and just watch the finale. There will be no movement in the next 2 , and then the finale all hell breaks loose.
ReplyDeleteCome on Marlowe, what do you take us for. If this interview was meant to ease us, well it didn't. It did however make me realize that I don't have to waste my Monday night on it for the next 2. Will just watch the finale, and nothing would have changed from Limey. Kind of like a soap opera, you skip a week, and your still in that same scene.
Thanks for the heads up. Now I don't have to bother with the next two.
Go ahead and skip them. The rest of us will watch and know a hell of a lot more about what's going on then you will.
DeleteIt's your loss.
To the many on this particular thread, get off your high horses! You guys are running around calling Andrew Marlowe arrogant and insulting for his opinion, yet you are blind to the fact that your opinions are no better. In other words I'm saying: Pot, Kettle, Black.
ReplyDeleteYou people who are throwing your toys out of the cot tend to forget that there are still many people enjoying how this show is going and I'll bet that there are far more people enjoying it than there are hating it. Usually it's the minority that causes all the fuss and I don't think it's any different here!
Good on you for what you are doing Andrew Marlowe. You STILL have a fantastic show that is STILL producing fantastic episodes. You have an amazing cast at your disposal and they are still producing the goods. I can't wait to see how the rest of the season is going to unfold. I'm sure it will be great as always.
'As Always' Nice way to end your comment. I'm in complete agreement with you.
DeleteThank you Anon 8:14. It is a relief to find an occasional rational comment. All these fans are screaming that AM should be making the eps that they want to see. What they can't seem to comprehend is that if AM had moved the relationship forward in every episode like they are demanding, Castle and Beckett would have gotten married in season 2 and the series would have been cancelled at season 3. Relationship pain and filler episodes are necessary for a drama series. Is that so difficult to understand?
DeleteSome of you fans are hilarious. Marlowe is right. Some of you don't know what you want. For the past 2 seasons I have listened to some of you bitch and moan about this or that and when you get this or that it's not enough or you were expecting this to happen. It's insane how immature some of you come across at the first sign of trouble for the relationship after complaining about no movement and things being dul and boring...
DeleteNow there's obvious movement happenig and the holding pattern is in the process of being broken and it is STILL not what you want.
You wanted season 1 and 2 Castle back where he had fun and you got your wish. He's back to his playful ways.... with another woman. He's having fun and is full of life.... but see why THAT version of Castle doesn't fit in season 4? He's no longer that guy and he's not happy. He's not full of life parading flight attendant barbie around. And guess what? THAT is the point. These characters have evolved so much together that how they started off is being readdressed to break down those dounts each had about each other, but it's going to take patience from some of you in order to see how things unravel. You guys are bailing (which I doubt, but i'll play your game) and are acting like YOU are why the show is still on the air without crediting Marlowe at all, so who exactly is presumptuous?
Good interview. My respect grows for Marlowe. Even if Caskett aren't together to end the season, which I honestly hope not, as long as the writing holds up, i'm watching. Once it's not, i'll turn the channel, not whine and complain incessantly at the first sign of trouble.
Why would any of you want them to spend the summer together where we miss the begining of their relationship? This show films in real time. I hope the cliffhanger is a good one that allows me the chance to see the beginning of their relationship at some point next season.
"Pot, Kettle, Black." <-- That's great! It's not just the Marlowe interview, either; everytime people start mixing complaints and advice on this site, it seems like they should take their own.
DeleteIn the words of our beloved Beckett, "You don't get it do you?" People who are disappointed in Castle & Beckett and just want them to talk things out and get the whole story before rushing judgment and taking the next step should maybe give Marlowe & co that same chance.
People's comments are a reflection of themselves, be they respectful, well-thought-out, annoying, hopeful, etc. What this article says to me is Andrew Marlowe is BRILLIANT!
anon 7:48..i totally agree woth your comments concerning beckett and castles relationship. I dont want another season of them dancing around their feelings yet on the other side nor do i want them to just jump in bed only to break up and have a relationship like that either....because if theyre truly in love they wont just have sex and then first time theres a problem split up.i dont have much hope for the next 2 episodes after this interview...i hope im proved wrong.
ReplyDeleteThe finale better be worth it! I mean its called always!
you know i have been watching this show since the beginning of season 3 and loved every minute of it the limey..and i could even understand that episode if we were assured that there would be actual movement in the last three epsisodes . It seems like headhunters will be exactly like the limey except with diffrent characters: intsead of castle being with the flight attendent he will be with the detective....instead of kate talking to lanie she will talk to her thearapist..yet will still not admit to castle how she feels...but in a way i cannot blame her with the ways castle is acting. I get hes hurt and angry and he has the right to be yet he at least owes it to both himslef and kate to tell her why hes pulling away.
ReplyDeleteI was really really confident that this show would be renewed for season and sincerly hope it still will be yet im afraid the limey and the next two episodes could do a lot of damage to the show.im pretty sure this show is even on the list of shows to most likely be renwewed for season 5 but its not official yet. I just hope it dosent ruin them getting a season 5.
I do really think that kate and castle will talk and make some positive progress in the finale. But honestly i dont want them to sleep together yet unless its 100% known and said that they forgive each other,love each other,and are willing to move foward to a relationship. I would absolutely hate it if they just slept together and came back in season 5(if its renewed) to dance around feelings or break up.
Hmmm didn't Marlowe say the same thing last year. Anyway, the next two are going to be just as bad...damn. I want to enjoy this show not be constantly annoyed and frustrated. Maybe you guys are right, skip till the finale, that way we don't have to wait for movement. Yeah good idea.
ReplyDeleteSo let me get this straight...
DeleteMovement occurs only when the characters make up?
Not the stuff that leads to the make up?
Wow.
So.... this holding pattern you all complained about is gone, yet, it's still not enough?
AM was sooooo right. Some of you don't know what you want.
This blog is more depressing and annoying than the show ever has been.
Sometimes characters have to lose in order to find the strength and courage to find their way back to the top. Most of this season has been pretty easy for Caskett. You all were sick and tired of it. Now they are OBVIOUSLY moving things alone amd you guys can't even wait it out. Why even watch if you skip episodes only to see the good stuff that has been boring you all season?
I'm confused. Nothing is perfect in this world. Not even relationships. You guys are bailing and not even willing to see how it works out. That really isn't showing loyalty to a show you claim to be a fan of. Not everything will go right with the characters, but they should be allowed to work it out, not crucified for everything they do or don't do that some of you don't like.
Oh, well.
I'm still loving the show, the characters, the actors, and the writers. THEY are just as responsible for this show still being on tv than our viewership. They can't impress everyone. I'm glad Marlowe isn't catering to some of you. There would be no drama or conflict ever between them. Only flirting. Fun. Eye sex. Sex. Marriage. Baby. Nothing in-between.
This isn't a comedy. They can't always be happy and cracking jokes and never face challenges.
You know the wtwt shows are known to drag the couples out and most of the couples do, so why watch if you can't wait for it to happen? Try to enjoy the show overall amd not just one element of it and you'll be much happier.
All of this whining and crying amd threatening to quit is ridiculous. Why so bitter and angry over a tv show? Such hatred seems odd to me. Just chamhe the channel. Losing a few hundred of you online won't hurt much since the show is in syndication. They'll gain you guys back. I am new for fresh faces in this fandom.
It's hard to even discuss the show because there are more complaints about the showrunner than the show itself.
I feel like i'm in elememtary school all over again with so many people stampimg their feeting wanting this and that and that and them crying when they can't get exactly what they want or beating up someome else to get it.
It's like a bunch of bullies pickimg on Marlowe and acting like they know his show better than him instead of waiting to see how things play out.
So depressing to see some of you complain about an episode before it airs and already predict the outcome... None of us know what's to come... No matter how many of you feel like you're Miss Cleo and Latoya Jackson.
Anon 10.45, I think fans are just pointing out their views, be it negative or positive which is understandable. Some get mor efrustrated than others, nothing wrong with that.
DeleteBut I do agree that this speech sounds familiar, last season ender right? Maybe I'm wrong. But I do remember the all cards being on the table thing. Anyway I hope al, this drama and angst we have been getting has a pay off. I have to doubt because I have no idea where it's going, but I hope it's a good end. I will watch till the end, but I feel some of the storyline is a little silly. I get castle being hurt, but I think the idea of not confronting Beckett was a deliberate move on Marlowe's part to drag out them actually talking becauses as we all know they never talk. It just seems weird to me. He throws away a 4 year friendship just like that, he shouldn't assume.
And might I add, if Marlowe is allowed to make castle assume the worst and act out, then he has to allow the same for his fans. Yeah some fans here are assuming the worst and are acting out by whining. But hey castles doing it too, and that's Marlowe's creation. So I don't see it as attacking Marlowe, it's how people react. Marlowe knows this, that's why he has made castle such an ass. And it's not about sex or being happy all the time, it's about being real. It's time, simple as that. And no one can really convince me otherwise. You can't keep dragging for the sake of dragging, which is what is happening now. The angst is fine as long as they deal, but they aren't dealing that's the problem. Why bring this issue up if you're not going to show them work things out. How much can one squeeze in the 42 minute finale. It's going to be a mess. Sorry I love Marlowe and the show, but I don't agree with everything he does, sometimes I have to agree with those complaining.
Anon 11.06 PM, I don't have a problem with people offering constructive criticism, but the problem is that there is nothing constructive in the flat-out hatred aimed at Andrew Marlowe and co recently. Don't you think it's funny how he cops it even when it's almost always a journalist unrelated to the show that actually made the comments that people claim were misleading them?
DeleteI want to see Castle and Beckett have a wonderful relationship, but at the same time I feel that both of them haven't been ready for it and therefore I understand why Andrew Marlowe has taken them down this road. I disagree with this whole concept of Andrew Marlowe "deliberately" dragging the relationship out. As I said above I feel that both Castle and Beckett haven't been ready for this step in their relationship, especially Beckett. Because of this having them start to get more intimate with each other is completely unrealistic and would've taken things out of context. Both of them, but especially Beckett, have minds that are like a fishing line with an enormous tangle in them and that's not something Andrew Marlowe has just created this season as a deliberate roadblock. It takes time to unravel them but once they do untangle their minds the pay-off will be worth it. That's why I am not bothered by the constant mutterings of a few who can't handle it when the creators of a TV Show aren't stupid enough to pander to their needs (and let's face it, despite how it looks it's still a clear minority of fans getting unacceptably nasty with their "opinions").
Anon 10:45, thank you thank you. Exactly what I wanted to say.
DeleteAnon 11:06, AM is having Castle is act out first because that is what men, particularly one like Castle, would do in this situation, and, second, because it creates drama, a necessary thing in a TV drama. You are right that it is time to deal with the relationship problem, and AM has made it clear that is what they are at least going to get started doing in the finale. They are not dealing now because the the purpose of the current 3 episode sequence is to up the pain to prepare for the finale. Which only makes sense from a dramatic perspective. (BTW, I frankly don't see how having a fictional character act out means it okay for fans to act like idiots also.)
Anon 11.42, it's simple really, because Marlowe claims his fictional characters are based on real life, so wouldn't it be natural for real life people to act that way too...
DeleteIt isn't about if it's ok to act like that or not, it's about what a person would do when they feel cheated, castles acting out because he feels cheated and betrayed, so if fans can understand that, I don't get why you can't understand real people who are feeling cheated by Marlowe act the same way.
In any case, Ive been on Marlowe's side for a long time, but even I am frustrated now, so I hope he doesn't disappoint. If nothing much is to come form the finale, yes I will opt to walk away. It's not whining, it's not threatening, as I am just one person, they don't need my viewership. But it will be sad because this is a show I love, but at the same time , I don't want to see the same thing again and again. Every season ends with them at odds, and every season starts with them trying to be friends again...it's old. I'm not trying to be mean here, but this is just my opinion.
You are certainly correct that there must be some significant movement in what is apparently a two-story arc starting with the finale and ending with the first episode next season. AM has basically claimed again and again recently that the relationship will move into new territory. He has kind of hedged his bets by saying the crisis could set back the relationship rather than moving it forward, but that would be really lame. So if things don't move forward, even a AM apologist like myself would be extremely annoyed.
DeleteSeems like Limey was their breakup from Beckett's point of view.
ReplyDeletePresumably Headhunters will show it from Castle's.
Yawn.
Then a potboiler "humorous" episode with zombie jokes.
Yawn.
Then a bang bang shoot 'em up, i love you, big kiss, see you next year.
The writing this year has not been good.
The crime story in Limey was totally stupid with loose ends all over the place like what the heck was the victim staying in a no-tell motel??? Never explained. Why the model never asked her best pal who happened to be a top notch cop?? Never explained. Who followed the victim to the party?? Never explained. etc etc etc
And don't get me started on the CIA double episode crappola. If a small girl gets shot, the whole world collapses and Castle is the the one guy who can stop it?? Gimme a break.
Not impressed. Not impressed with the way they've chosen to advance Caskett. Not impressed with slapdash way everything seems to be thrown together.
Wouldn't be surprised if the season renewal comes with some instructions to raise the game or else.
P.S. Good idea to insult the show's fans. That's great for ratings. NOT.
Oh well...there goes Marlowe and his famous speech!!! Boring....
ReplyDeleteWonder who gets shot this finale, wonder who stops talking to who...season 1- Beckett, season 2- castle, season 3- Beckett again, so season 4- castle again??? Probably.
Then if there is a season 5, Beckett begs for forgiveness, castle comes back...and yay solving crimes again and saving the world from ww3, and nuclear bombs. Because you know the NYPD can't do that without castle. He needs to be there. The NYPD needs castle, the CIA needs castle, the FBI needs castle...it's funny isn't it.
Anyway enough of the sarcasm. I just hope the finale is worth watching. Those wondering why fans are so pessimistic with Marlowes interview, simple, go read all his other interviews...
And I applaud those who can give up the next 2 eps and just watch the finale.i don't think I can but wish I could so I won't have to deal with a big baby castle anymore.
Alexis graduation speech? Really, have they no other plot line, that it has come to a high school graduation in the finale! Oh for crying out loud. I mean I get why fans are complaining now. Never knew why, but I get it now.
Ok I just have one comment really, it's about Alexis graduation speech. Why is that even important? Doesn't everyone graduate from high school, what so emotional about that? I'm not getting it. And if this is what's in the finale, it's taking up precious minutes. Sorry Alexis, I like you, but I really don't care about your speech.
ReplyDeleteYeah Marlowe is recycling his speech. Heard all this before!
ReplyDeleteYou know he has done a great job bring castle and Beckett to life, but I fear he is just going to ruin them. Limey has ruined castle for me. His whole playboy coming back thing was just annoying to watch, it's like all this time, we watched him grow, only to have him go back to his meaningless cheap random sex buddies. If I were Beckett I would question him too. What Beckett said to Lanie at the morgue, about castle still chasing after bimbos and maybe thats just who he is, she was right. At first, I felt like slapping her for thinking that, but when I thought about it, how would she know what he does in his own home, the don't talk remember. So for all she knows he may not be flaunting it but hey maybe behind closed doors...Marlowe has ruined castle for me, I hope he doesn't ruin anything else.
Hahaha I have to agree, AM sounds familiar, he said all this before right! You would think he would have realized but no he loves repeating himself, just like his storylines. So who is in what when it explodes? That's the cliffhanger right? And castle and Beckett will spend time apart to figure things out, you know because 4 years isn't enough...so they need time...AGAIN! Hahaha it's so hilarious. It's all the same.
ReplyDeleteThis is scary stuff from Marlowe as to where the show is clearly heading and how he feels about the fans.
ReplyDeleteHe doessn't care about continuity clearly because that would upset casual viewers who just dip in and out of the show. You know what? Continuity would make me STICK with a show if I was new to it not leave. My brain can cope with remembering things actually but clearly we can't have any of that going on in Castle. This clearly explains a lot especially in season 5.
Marlowe apparently doesn't understand that the main reason fans tune in is for that "relationship stuff" which boils down to Kate and Rick. So to dismiss the idea that making that a priority is important is bizarre. You spend little time on the relationship then Marlowe you simply have no show. The cases are certainly not good enough to sustain deep interest and other shows do that better. The fact you give so little importance to the most critically important thing says it all.
He clearly doesn't care about what the fans think, well certain fans he likes who believe everything he does is gold but the rest? You can carry on being frustrated and angry because you just don't get it or even know that you don't get it apparently.
He also clearly thinks that fans are upset because Rick and Kate are not together right now and when they do they will be happy again. No that's not the reason many are upset, they are annoyed because they see these two characters being corrupted and pushed from pillar to post to fill out some 5 episode story arc where nothing actually happens of note until the finale.
He clearly has a story to tell and he has no intention of doing anything to change it because it's pretty brilliant as it is no matter what his critics might say - who he ignores and doesn't believe are credible any way.
He clearly and cynically intends to repeat the entire process with Kate and Rick being built up and torn down again endlessly. He gives the impression the couple are headed someone different but the reality is when the dust settles and season 5 starts I'm willing to wager Kate and Rick will be starting their relationship all over again in terms of their trust and love for each other but just from a different scenario that he's mapped out. Some fans will say their relationship have moved on - the reality? It's just more of the same old stuff dressed up to look new and sparkling.
Marlowe's cynicism and disrespect for his fans truly knows no bounds - of course what will eventually do for him will not be his critics but the ratings - I won't be shedding any tears by then because the show I loved so much will not even be one I recognise anymore.
What i don't like about the interview is first the actors at the payleyfest rise our hopes so high that we have to think there is the only way what happens this two are getting together.Now AM complains that fans are wanting to much and he don't know if they are satisfied or disapointed after the finale.It is right that some spoilers are make us expecting to much but this time the spoilers come from the Castle-Crew so when not believe them who then and that's the reason why i feel misleaded.So when they can not tell the truth say nothing about it because i want to enjoy the show once in a while there is frustration and angst but don't give us the feeling now it is gonna happen and then there is nothing.
ReplyDeleteWell they're not going to tell the truth because then they would give away what's going to happen aren't they?! They always have to dangle carrots in front of us to keep the interest high, but can't give too much away and have to be cryptic to avoid leaking too much.
DeleteI think it's disappointing (and a little hypocritical) that there are people out there that are focussing their argument from this article in particular on one thing Andrew Marlowe says. That being that he said that the characters know what they want more than what the fans do (he is exactly right but saying this can easily be interpreted as an insult to those who are complaining). Unfortunately as soon as people see something like this they automatically ignore every other aspect of the article. Andrew Marlowe also explicitly states that he and the other writers of this show know that they will never please everybody regardless of which direction they take the show. There is nothing arrogant what he's saying as far as I'm concerned. I think that those who are calling him arrogant without really giving a constructive reason for it should take a look in the mirror.
The last couple of episodes have been tough to watch admittedly, but it is ludicrous to think that nothing bad can ever happen to these two. These secrets were always going to have a profound impact on the way Castle and Beckett interact around each other, but the pay off will be that they will both come out the other side stronger than ever and will finally be in a position to begin a relationship.
You know that your interest is going when you don't care if the show is renewed or not. And that's how I feel right now. I hate that I have come to not be interested In a show I was crazy about.
ReplyDeleteMarlowe has lots of loyal fans but he better not push it, some may end up like me, and yes it may not always be the minority group. Just a thought.
The finale sounds interesting, but I haven't a clue how castle and Beckett will come out of it. Let's just see.
To Anon 12:06 AM, I am not an insider so don't want to come off as a know-it-all, but have read/heard many times that actors do not get the script to the episode until it they are about to start shooting. So if they are shooting the finale now, they maybe got the script yesterday.
ReplyDeleteWhat the actors said had Paley was based on what they've shot up to then (probably Limey at that time) and whatever AM and the writers tell them, which is usually nothing about future plots. I'm sure AM tells everyone not to say certain things or have coached the actors to give out certain answers.
So blame AM not so much the poor actors.
I'm also sick of all the negativity here. Marlowe ruined the entire show because you didn't like the last episode, what is this?
ReplyDeleteMarlowe arrogant ? What do you want him to do, release the finale scenario and ask for your advise ? What did you expect ? Of course he's gonna play with our emotions. Of course he's gonna repeat himself… It's a TV Show, not a fan fiction.
BUT he created Castle, he knows where he's going with the C&B relationship, that's enough for me, even if the last episode was a bit painful…
I personally loved this season 4. I was disapointed by some episodes, that were less playfull, but overall it was really really nice and i'm sure it's gonna lead to something really really good, to quote Stana.
Just a little reminder :
- Banks and robbers, great caskett moments
- The 40's film noir episode
- That beautiful swing scene in Rise
- Thaht beautiful scene between Beckett and Esposito in Kill Shot
- They were fu..ing cuffed together during one episode !!!
- 'I ain't afraid of no ghost"
- Beckett admitting that she's crazy about Castle
- All the smiles and looks
- A big bad wolf
- Ryan's Weeding
- "Are you really asking for my number ?"
- A superhero cop
- Zombies on the way
- Hand holdings
- Beckett hotness
Admit it, all good stuff
and by the looks of the promo, some nice moments to come too in Headhunters like Castle screaming "NPYD"
and even the bad stuff, the blond bimbo, the scottish dude, (Nathan weight…oups), the miscommunication… it's all leading to something bigger, and better.
Just be patient, be hopeful
Come on
In Marlowe we trust
Nice, but you missed out the hilarious girlie scream from Castle in the Demons episode, plus the: "That's a look. I get these a lot. Just start walking. Faster!", line from Rick in the same episode!
DeleteI don't think people are complaining because of the last episode, more like the last season...
DeleteWell if the actors had only received the scripts up to the Limey then what on earth were Nathan and Stana talking about that Castkett shippers would be really happy? Where do the 12.9 ratings come in they talked of?
ReplyDeleteCan you see any happiness in these last two episodes? Just separation, misery and angst.
Just bizarre, I'm not suggesting you are wrong but it makes no sense because nothing I've seen gives me the impression I'm going to be enjoying the next episode either in terms of their relationship!
I guess this is Marlowe's idea of happiness - sigh.
Nathan said Marlowe had shared his "deft" plan; they presumably knew the arc of the stories but did not have all the details or scripts.
DeleteMarlowe is a genius, but one hell of a cryptic jackass. my best decryption of his word are we will not be getting a Caskett ending but it's likely to have some hand holding and meaningful looks.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I doubt he'll even give us a kiss between them.
Prove me wrong Andrew, prove me wrong.
He won't prove you wrong Anon 01.51AM trust me, the way he dodged around the issue in the interview proved it. I'm willing to bet something will happen which will pull them apart but just in a different way to what people expect.
ReplyDeleteSo a new obstacle will appear out of nowhere to ensure they can't be a committed couple - believe me I would love to trust Marlowe but I stopped doing that a long time ago. This interview takes the biscuit in terms of arrogance against your audience - especially the die hard fans who tune in every week no matter what.
Okay a lot may be happy and call Marlowe a genius - if that's what you think he is then I respect that we all feel differently of course but I've got another few words for him though and they're not that complementary!
I don't like being told I'm basically and idiot who doesn't really "get" the show and is impatient. That continuity is not something you need to have at all and that the Kate and Castle relationship is not their prime concern when it's the very foundation of the show.
I used to get the show just fine until Marlowe decided that continuity, decent character development, and proper dialogue was not important.
Apparently all I want is to be maddeningly frustrated in the final with a dash of Caskett thrown in. No I don't. I want to be entertained, that's his job actually and look forward to the summer break excited to think what great things are in store for Rick and Kate moving forward as a couple.
Marlowe clearly has no interest in the fans views it's all about his own personal journey seemingly. Well that's his right as the shows creator, that's fine but I don't have to come on it if I don't like where it's taking me.
It's all "laying their cards on the table" and when you get to the table there is nothing on it - again. I've lost count how many times he's said this phrase and the result has been something and nothing.
Any way at least he's told me that nothing is happening of importance for the next two episodes and he's going to cram it all into the finale after 22 episodes so that's fine I can give my late night viewing on line a miss if necessary.
Andrew Marlowe has given us a great show, but he needs to step back and reflect a little here. I don't get some of the things he said. First off,I don't like what he said about fans not knowing what they want. Actually I'm very clear about what I want. Nothing much, just forward movement, with edecent progression, that is realistic. Keeping them apart now just seems forced to me. They are both adults, and I'm hoping they sort their mess out by the finale, it if they still continue to dance around each other in season 5, I'm giving this show up. Not to be mean or vengeful, but just becau I would find it unbelievable.
ReplyDeleteAlso another thing weird is that doesn't he know that the relationships aspect is like 60 percent of the show, maybe even more. Not to be mean here, but seriously their cases aren't great, the stories for the cases aren't great, there are other shows that do that much better. I thought he would know this by now. Anyway rushing everything in the finale seems strange.
So we have the JB murder coming back, Kate's shooting and possible shooter coming in, castles secret and repercussions coming in, Kate's dad coming in, montys conspiracy cover up coming in, cole Maddox introduced, Alexis graduating, castle and Beckett laying all cards on the table...wow isn't that a lot for a finale. Can they even Fit it in.
Well we have got to wait and see...but I do think Alexis graduating story is a waste. It really isn't important, especially for a finale. Couldnt she graduate in the 19 or 20th epsiode. Just seems very silly to me. I mean this isn't some teenage drama that they need to have some graduation. Speech etc.
I politely disagree, the cases are supposed to be a bit different, a bit quirky, if you want to watch a police procedural show go watch CSI, the show is based around the unconventional partnership of a writer and a NYPD detective. And 90% of the time I actually think the're cases are pretty clever. As for the finale, well Castle's secret, Kate's shooter, JB murder and Montys conspiracy are all connected, they all go hand in hand I'm fairly certain all of those elements could tell one 42min story.
DeleteKelly, you're right, their cases are pretty clever. It's the only show I can think of where the bad guy isn't obvious in the first 5 minutes. I love the classic Castle twists, and I especially love when someone (usually Castle) posits that the case played out exactly how it would on other shows, and then they shoot it full of holes and get on with the really creative story-telling.
DeleteActually yes some of you are "idiots" if you don't get or know how syndication works... those filler episodes that sometimes have no continuity are done on purpose for future viewership and then there are the familiar arcs that ties things up in a bow to continue continuity for the loyal followers.
ReplyDeleteThis IS a business first and viewership is key, so yes they will focus on an overall audince, not the hundreds that complain online.
As for him repeating himself...
Each season they map out a plan. They know what some of the complaints are amd will address them each season. The fact that he knows some of you are frustrated about them not talking is why he keeps bringing up the "putting their cards on the table" bit, but he can't have the characters always discussing their every thought and opinion in every episode because then there would be no story to tell...
Some of you may not love tge procedural side of the show, but it is VERY important for casual viewers to keep an audience coming back each week to see Castle & Beckett interact as they solve crimes.
This isn't Gilmore Girls where they can sit around and have the characters deal with their personal lives each episode. There are cases to solve, so the personal stuff with the characterd HAS TO BE DRAGGED OUT. It's not that he does it on purpose. It is what,he HAS to do to stretch out 22-24 episodes a year.
This is a wtwt show. Of course the ship has to be dragged out year after year... I think AM is aware thst he can't do it forever and I also feel like the characters know when they are ready more than fans do.
If you go back and rewatch from the pilot, there is no way theCaskett of seasons 1-3 were ready for a relationship and this season the two of them were stuck in a holding pattern and are now breaking down both of their walls to prepare themselves to be ready for one.
I always felt it would be season 5 that would be the season it happened. I really do feel like their relationship has flowed really well with the ups and downs. They do feel like they are almost ready, but these fears, doubts, and insecurities had to be addressed that the other had about the other and it's happening now.
Them being separated to end a season is much preferable than missing months of interaction. That's why on Bones their relationship feels awkward. They didn't show so much and the two feel further apart mire than ever now that they're a couple and have been one for over a year. I don't want that to happen to Caskett. Be careful what you wish for.
Your writing is very interesting and it's true that most people just want them to be together at the end of the season.....So do I.....Because I agree that the relationship between the two takes the biggest part of the interest.
DeleteBut I just could be glad if they end the season, not being together, but being sure they gonna be. It will be interesting to see the evolution of their relation once they'll be together, but it has to take place at the beginning of season 5.
Apart from that, I find Marlowe just a little bit insulting.
For me Marlowe has to have them either looking as if they will be together at the end of this season or they get together immediately at the start of season 5 otherwise it's just too late for me the ship has literally sailed.
DeleteAs for filler episodes and needing them for syndication, I'm sorry but this season has been basically filler I could watch Rise, Cops & Robbers, Kill Shot, M for Mayor and obviously the finale and pretty much figure out the story of this season - that's not good.
No one is asking for endless discussions over the Kate and Rick relationship in every episode but it's not as if Marlowe has even addressed many of the points this season. Where were the mid season reveals he talked about happening? They didn't surprise surprise. Kate last saw her shrink in Killshot - since then nothing. Does she still go? No idea. Rick has been struggling with the weight of his sekrit all season - when has that been really shown to any great degree? Kate's PTSD was last addressed in Killshot since then she's had guns fired off close to her head in Linchpin and yet she appears fine - is she? No idea. Marlowe can't be bothered to show me any of these things to give me any indication of where the characters heads are at or what they are feeling - I get to learn about things in interviews not by watching the show.
Something is wrong when that happens. The finale is going to have far too many things going on when he could have spread them out 5 or 6 episodes at least but no he wants it all packed into a 45 minutes. Why? How does that allow for the kind of in-depth characterisation you need to address these important issues?
Why did I need to see the boys go to Vegas dressed like Elvis? Or a throwback to the thirties episode instead?
I say it again, it is extremely insulting to tell people they don't know what they want - if someone said that to you to your face about a show you had invested your time and energy into watching how would you feel? I know exactly what I want to see thank you very much as does everyone else (be they in agreement with me or not).
That is arrogance taken to a whole new level.
I'm almost ready to snap here, I just must express my disapointment and frustration....not at AM or the writers, but at the so called fans. Honestly the constant stream of negativity and abuse being hurled around is getting very distressing. If you don't like what's happening with the show anymore thats fine, those of you who are saying you're going to leave and stop watching, please do the rest of us a favour and leave. AM is right, people just don't know what they want. They say they want movement, they abuse the show because AM is not having it play out how some people want. I used to really enjoy coming here to discuss the show with people who also enjoy it, and also have the odd debate over a difference of opinion but lately, the fans on these boards are just bringing the show down with all of the constant negativity. I honestly can't understand how people can justify skipping the rest of the season and only watching the finale because you might see something you don't like or don't agree with, fine, but stop watching completely, I assure you once Castle and Beckett seal the deal you'll just find something else to complain about. And the people bitching about a Graduation scene for Alexis, I'm aware Molly's copped some flak lately but Alexis is still a valid character, why can't she have 1 minute out of 42? It will probably be just like Ryan's Wedding only a few seconds out of the whole show.
ReplyDeleteI do love Caskett, but the discussion after the Limey made me delay my viewing of it simply so I could watch it with a clear head, am only halfway through as it was late and I fell asleep but so far, there's nothing wrong with it. The case looks interesting, Castle's plan of abseiling down that building to get the prints with some guy in a duffel bag was cracking me up. Lanie has been awesome! And in terms of Team Castle and Team Beckett, yes he's acting out, but Beckett has no idea why. Us as viewers are aware why he's doing it but poor Beckett doesn't. I think personally he's trying to propel her to act by flaunting another woman in front of her.
If I have come across as rude or offensive, I usually apologize, but this time I won't as my words are no worse than some of the one's being aimed at the creators of one of the best tv shows around.
Kelly, that's what we call shipers and trust me, they're not -just- the best fans!!
DeleteI'm like you - I love Caskett.....and I would love to see them together.....but that's a SHOW!!....and I don't make a mix with my real life...
It's got nothing to do with mixing it with your real life. Of course it's as TV show but I can recognise poor writing when I see it and his attitude towards his fans is arrogant and smug - that's my opinion. I watch a TV show to be entertained and to watch characters I love acting organically and have engaging stories to follow.
DeleteCastle is failing on all those fronts for me right now and I don't see why people can't express that viewpoint. They want the show to stick around for a long time and right now based on what Marlowe is serving up it will last a further season if that I'll wager.
I hope I'm wrong and season 5 gets higher ratings and he finally brings Kate and Rick together but I doubt it will happen, I just don't like his attitude, I realise it's his show and he can do what he wants but I find the way he speaks very insulting.
And Kelly 5.43 I loved the abseiling bit too with Rick, Esposito and Ryan - they were great together! I really miss those fun moments. I hated her phoning the guy at the end though it left a bad taste in my mouth, she needs to hang on in there and wait for Rick - true love and all that!
Good job my love life is not running like theirs at the moment, I'd be ready to slit my wrists it's so gloomy.
Kelly, they're not leaving, because they really love it. They're just acting immature and annoying right now - just like Castle!
DeleteThank goodness, I'm not the only person with their head screwed on. I do love this show, it is my favourite thing on tv, I am a shipper also, but I still hold onto my common sense. I come to these boards every week and over the last handful of episodes there have been ppl throwing their toys out of the cot, stomping their foot and saying "I'm leaving!" It really gets to me, because they don't leave they just come back the next week and complain about the exact same thing. Now before I get flamed, let me add that I'm not against people expressing negative opinions. Not at all. I do not expect everyone to hold the same opinion as I do and I do not worship Andrew Marlowe like he is some sort of deity. I too cannot understand why people have blown up AM's comment that fans don't know what they want and find it insulting, its true! All you have to do is look back through all of the boards on this site. they ask for movement, now we have movement and they claim its out of character. Let me just ask if you had been chasing someone for 3 years, and then faithfully waiting for said person for a further 1 year only to find out they had been lying to you about their feelings for the past year, I would probably act out 2. He will never please everyone. Some fans aren't even interested in the whole Caskett thing they watch it for the cases and the humour. Some fans want Caskett NOW and anything less than that is rubbish. Some fans want to wait until the end of the shows run for it to happen and some fans are happy to wait for it to happen when it happens, (in only a few episodes time hopefully). With all of these different categories of fans the statement that AM simply cannot please everybody is true. he cannot fulfil all of those different scenarios.
DeleteI agree, Kelly. As a collective, fans don't know what they want because we all want different things (his comment is so true), so therefore his comment about not listening closely to us is a smart thing to do from a creator's viewpoint. Nothing for us to get pissed about. I totally get what he meant because i've been saying it myself with the way some fans are complaining about Caskett being dull and boring because nothing is happening and the moment something happens between them these same fans STILL complain.
DeleteI don't get it.
I'm still enjoying the show. This fandom? Not so much.
Well, the right way to save this show is "Marlowe fired" and someone less ideological in charge.
ReplyDeleteIt's his show. It's your remote control.
DeleteFrom that comment I can only think that you are one of the people who are completely clueless about this show.
ReplyDeleteIn the words of Nathan Fillion, "It costs nothing to say something kind. Even less to shut up altogether."
I am always siding with Marlowe, but laying all the cards on the table is something he has said many times, and it doesn't actually happen. So I'm not sure about this. Well at least we know that there will be no movement in the next 2 episodes so we won't expect anything.
ReplyDeleteActually something does happen when Marlowe said they'll lay their cards on the table. Each season has had a different theme for Caskett, so,therefore different issues needed to be addressed and in Knockout they DID lay the cards they were holding for season 3 on the table.
DeleteThey confronted the obstacles between them then... Josh. The kiss. The way they don't communicate. What was going on between them. "and what about you, Castle?" Stated after Castle mentioned the people who love her (dad and Josh). That entire season showed Beckett hiding behind Josh and asking Castle why he kept coming back and Castle letting Gina go for Beckett and not knowing where he and Kate stood..
The fight in Knockout put it all on the table for THAT season.
Now cue season 4 and these secrets. After Kate got shot they were dealt a new set of cards to hold and now AM is stating they're going to lay all their cards on the table. There's an ILY to be addressed. Secrets between them both and Montgomery's cover-up secret. Now it's time to lay these cards down on the table.
AM has not lied. Some of you are using your own misunderstandings of spoilers against him.
I really do think some of you would better enjoy the show if you stopped reading spoilers and AM interviews since you expect the worse to happen and for nothing he ever says to come to fruition. Why keep reading when it upsets you so?
Some people are like Beckett.... their own worst enemy, though at least Beckett is trying to work on her issues and some of you want the drama. HaHa!
Yeah I think it's good that he said Ina way nothing happens till the finale, so now we won't expect much, and yeah those who plan to sip can skip it, myself included. And then just watch the finale and see what happens.
ReplyDeletePersonally I would have liked the secrets at a better pace, and was really hoping that castles secret comes out before the finale, but now it's in the finale. I just hope the seasons ends well. As much as I am frustrated, I want to believe that it will get better.
Wow. Did I miss the part of the interview where Marlowe stated nothing happens until the finale?
DeleteMarlowe, keeping your fans constantly frustrated is not called entertainment. It was fine in previous seasons, but now it's just irritating.
ReplyDeleteAnd I know what I want, and this dragging things out is not what's want. I want to be entertained, I don't want to watch and feel all sad and gloomy afterwards. 47 seconds and Limey left me feeling that's way. And now he implies that the next 2 will be the same. Man I don't know if I can hang on. I may have to agree with others, skip these 2, and then watch the finale.
I am excited about the Johanna Beckett case coming up. Honestly that's my favorite arc other than caskett of course. Love how Beckett gets when the case is brought up.
Then why am I not frustrated and enjoying the show?
DeleteCould it be the person and not AM that's the problem?
No wonder some of you don't get what's happening with the show and the characters.... you skip episodes if there's no OBVIOUS Caskett movement. Some of you have yet to even watch the Demming arc and thst arc has been essential for seasons 3 and their current behavior as well.
ReplyDeleteThere're reasons why Castle doubts Beckett has feelings for him. There're reasons Beckett is afraid to dive in with Castle... if you skip episodes then no wonder you don't get why the characterd sre behaving as they do.
You fans skipping episodes had better not bring your asses here after the finale bitching becaude you hate something you don't get because you skipped episodes.
At the first sign of trouble between Caskett you cry, complain, then bail. When they are getting along and are in a holding pattern you do the same.
How can you be mad at Marlowe when you DO NOT know what you want other than seeing Caskett together? IT IS THE TRUTH!
Not everything will go perfect for the characters. Yes, they will fight and be immature at times. Emotions will be suppressed or expressed in covert and overt ways. The characters will act out at times.... filler episodes occur... it's a tv show.
You only get frustrated if you allow yourselves, too.
It's painful to watch them fight, but pain does go away. Try to remember that. It boils down, imo, to people's attitudes. Marlowe doesn't control your emotions. You control it yourselves.
As it stand we live in a workd where people are selfish, pessimistic, and unhappy in general and those who try to be positive are the ones with the problem.
It's sad how some of you are acting and i'm ashamed to come here day in and day out and read such hatred for such a GREAT show.
I can name in every episode something to enjoy. The show hasn't changed significantly since seasons 1 and 2.... it's evolved into an even better show, imo, where the characters have more depth.... To see Rick revert painfully back to his playboy ways reflect how far he's come the past 2 seasons and once he sees this for himself, growth occurs again.
Beckett is still a work in progress and it's beautiful to watch, imo. There are many people like this in the world, who have undergone tragedy and trauma and struggle to get past it and thheir pasts in to live in the present. I love this character so much.
Same with Castle. Such love for him.
It's not just about Caskett's journey, but them as individuals. Once they have the courage and strength to love themselves (and at this point both are so down on themselves and their failures) they'll learn to love each other together.
These are teo beautiful, flawed creatured.
AM did acknowledge the fans in this interview even with the "we don't know what we want comment." How is it i'm not offended, but some of you are? It boils down to ones outlook on things. If you've been bitching all season, chances are you habe a problem with what he said.
At least he didn't pull a Hart Hanson and tell us to blow him and that he never listens to fans. He scknowledged he does look at our input after he tells his story.
It is his show after all. If you don't like it, he can't control what you do with your remote, but knowing some of you, you would blame him. Rme.
That's great!!!
DeleteShippers are not real fans, I say!! I'd love to see Caskett together but, yes, that's a show with good & bad eps but just see the show as what it is: just an imagined story and stop complaining because the day they will kiss will be a great day...for fiction!!
Shippers aren't real fans?
DeleteToo bad for the show then, if it wasn't for shippers it wouldn't even have made it to season 2!
I agree that fans of other shows (the CSIs come to mind) that only watch because they ship a couple aren't really the best of fans, and very likely not loyal to the show, but how can you say that about Caskett shippers?
PS: I think we all know this is fiction, thank you very much, and please stop telling us to shut up, we have every right to complain.
Alex, Alex, Alex... No one is stopping people like you complaining, the problem is that hardly anyone that has a gripe with this show is offering up constructive reasons as to why they're not happy.
DeleteI did find it amusing when someone further up in this thread used the term: Pot, Kettle, Black. There are so many people firing off silly insults at Andrew Marlowe and calling him arrogant, but they're are blissfully unaware that they are being no different than what they perceive him to be by saying what they are.
As I said above, if you people can come up with CONSTRUCTIVE reasons as to why you're not happy and leave out the abusive nature of a lot of the comments, then you'll find that people (like me) who are happy with this show will welcome debate with you. Until then we have every right to tell you to keep your opinions to yourselves.
There are hundreds of constructive reasons listed here. You Marlowe worshippers are the "idiots," I guess, since it seems you can't read. Here are a handful of the ones I've read:
DeleteThe show lacked continuity this season
Actions of characters in Limey inconsistent with characters actions in past
Behavior of Castle and Beckett making them unlikable, making it hard to care if they get together
SIck of the jealousy plotline to keep them apart
Find Marlowe's comments in this interview arrogant and condescending to fans
Too much time was wasted in "nothing" episodes and now all the good stuff crammed into a small window of time
Shall I go on? You may disagree with all of it, but it is all valid, constructive criticism. Seems to me that those who don't want to hear it are the ones stamping their feet, whining and projecting, not to mention complaining and insulting. So, I guess if you have some self bestowed right to tell us who can and cannot express their opinion in this site, I will bestow myself with the right to tell you to keep your whining to yourself.
Anon 7.07 PM, calm down chief! Let's not be stupid and start a war where one of us thinks the other is stupid!
DeleteI'm not trying to tell people at all that they can't comment if they have a negative view on things, I'm just saying that they need a lot more clarity if people are going to listen to their point of view. Sure, those things you've listed have been touched on, but there hasn't really been a lot of elaboration on these points and that's what I'm getting at. While I cannot deny that there are some out there elaborating on why they're not happy, I want to know why most other people think the show has lacked continuity for them and various other reasons that they're unhappy with, but all I'm seeing is a high and mighty attitude where they claim arrogance from Andrew Marlowe yet are being no different themselves. Do you get my drift? Let's all be civilised and debate the issues of this show without taking the high perch.
Well, if you are the one who posted "until then, we have every right to tell you to keep your opinions to yourselves" then you most certainly did try to tell people that they can't comment if they have a negative opinion. Are you backtracking on your rudeness now? And I am sorry, but you are flat out lying when you say there has been no elaboration of my points on this blog. It is just not true. I think from where I am sitting, you are the high and mighty one who is needlessly insulting other posters because they don't worship Andrew Marlowe as much as you, and I won't hesitate to call you out on it.
DeleteThe fact is that there are valid points being discussed among fans with a wide range of opinions. And heavily interspersed among these are posts full of pointless rudeness (against Marlowe, fans who like Marlowe, fans who hate Marlowe, fans of Caskett, fans who prefer more lighthearted episodes, fans who prefer more angst, etc.) It would be nice if there were more of the former and much less of the latter; I think all sides would agree.
DeleteFor starters, that "until then, we have every right to tell you to keep your opinions to yourselves" was meant as a tongue-in-cheek reply to another poster who said: "we have every right to complain".
DeleteIt disappoints me that you have got it in your head somehow that I believe Andrew Marlowe is some sort of god who can do no wrong. Honestly, that is the most ridiculous claim I've ever seen and I mean that seriously.
I never had any intention of needlessly insulting other posters I was merely pointing out that some of them are running around calling Andrew Marlowe an arrogant person who is insulting them, when it can be easily perceived by other people that they're being no different. Just to make it clear, I do not for one second think I'm high and mighty I just want to have a healthy debate with people who are unhappy rather than this little shindig I've got going with you where you're trying to tell me I'm an idiot.
Just to expand on what I was trying to say in my last post, from my point of view I think it's great to see people explain where they think the show is going wrong and what they could do better to improve it in the future. I will say it again in case you missed it the last time. Yes there are people doing this but there are also many who aren't. That's all I'm trying to say, whether you believe me or not. Just so you know, there are aspects of this show that aren't perfect, but I am happy with the overall product.
Sorry, bud, you keep changing your story every time I call out your hypocrisy.
DeleteReally? I keep changing my story? Honestly, I think that after all your attempts to call me high and mighty and a hypocrite (oh and you also called me an idiot who thinks Andrew Marlowe is a god) you are blissfully unaware that YOU are being no different from what you perceive me to be!
DeleteI am starting to get bored of repeating myself, but I will say this one more time. I WELCOME ANY KIND OF FEEDBACK, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE! I have acknowledged twice already that there are people who disagree with this show giving valid reasons as to why they think that, BUT, I in my opinion I have seen far too many people throwing their toys without giving valid, constructive reasons for their opinion. That does not at all make me think I'm high and mighty for my opinion. I have also said that this show is not perfect because simply there is no such thing as perfect.
I can't make my opinion any clearer than that. If you disagree with it that's fine. You are digging yourself a deep hole calling me a hypocrite, when people who stumble across this little debate we've got going could easily view your point of view as hypocritical.
Did you get all of that?
I think there are s few of you out there, and yes, you know who you are that need to schedule a few sessions with Dr. Burke. A fictional Dr. For those of you stuck in this fictional world and don't know how to get a grip on reality!
ReplyDeleteFTW! I agree.... haha!
DeleteYes, because of course all the people here who are complaining have no idea that these are fictional characters in a show and not real people...whatever.
DeleteHaven't you heard, Alex? Those of us who have critiques about show and Marlowe are evil and the devil, and are obviously too stupid to live!
Delete"And you can’t listen too closely to the fan base because what they say they want isn’t necessarily what they want."
ReplyDeleteI can understand why people may be offended by this comment. Here is why I am not.
A. The fan base is not single minded. Yes, it seems like most agree they want to see Castle and Beckett get together. (Although even some fans actually do not want this to happen until the very end of the series because of the "curse that shall not be named", etc.) The circumstances of how C&B might get together happens differently in every fan's head. You need only consult the spectrum of fan fiction that ranges from romantic fairytale to full on porn and everything in between. No matter how it plays out, some portion of the fandom will not be satisfied because they imagined it differently, more perfectly, etc. Staying true to the characters is the only course. By that I mean what the fandom knows of the characters and also what the show runners know, which brings me to my next point.
B. I do not know the whole story. I only know what has been shown in the episodes aired to date, and even some of that is intentionally ambiguous. They both are afraid of commitment for some reasons we know of, but there may be other reasons lurking in the character’s backstories waiting to be dealt with that would explain some of their behavior. I have no idea what the writers will reveal or explore next so I’m not going to second guess how they get there.
C. I want the moment, but it had to feel earned. Fans have been asking about when they will get together since almost the beginning. After all that has happened it is going to be so much more powerful than it would have been earlier on. The little steps along the way have been rewarding and the people they have become are so much better suited to really make it last. I can wait a little while longer for them to work through their last doubts. They had sexual tension from the start, now they also have a believable love which is so much more compelling.
D. When Castle and Beckett do start a romantic relationship the show will change. It may well be equally as exciting or frustrating as the pre-romance holding pattern has been, but it will be different. Some will like it and some won’t, no matter what happens. Be careful what you wish for. I have faith that it will be just as entertaining.
-duckyislost
Well; I like what you've written and I understand, too, people who complain, but I already said, Shippers are not all good fans, that's sure.
DeleteWe are not actors in this show and we just have to let things go their way.
Many things in this show are -really- unreal, specially in season 4 because the more we get in, the more writers have to put the characters into weird situations and it's the same with Caskett.
This is the reason why some fans are more and more angry and others aren't.
So please, wait until the end just to see what happens. You'll be free, then, to see season5...or not.
Well said, duckyislost. Mad props, yo.
Delete"We put our cards on the table. But I’m not going to give you an indication as to which way the chips fall. But we do deal with things directly." - AM
ReplyDeleteAs much as I appreciate the promise he gives that all the secrets and feelings Castle and Beckett are harbouring will be discussed between them directly, I don't trust that the chips will fall in our favour. If we recall back at 3x24, we got a confrontation between them, Castle even mentioned the kiss, but we didn't get any forward movement with the two of them after because they never discussed what the kiss meant for them. So in this finale, they could very well directly confront each other, but that doesn't mean they'll actually act upon them. I hope though that Kate would tell him that she loves him first before he tells her that he didn't stop loving her.
I just really hope we see the aftermath of that confrontation and I hope it's a happy ending. If they don't get together by the end of this season, I won't continue watching it.
I don't think the odds are good for happy ... in fact I've decided if they drive them apart for another summer I'm done. I don't need to watch variations of the same dance for five seasons. I like that they are supposedly going to make things light again next year. Castle and Beckett together with the comedy of the first two seasons would be a lot of fun. If I wanted heavy drama I would watch Law & Order SVU. The whoa Beckett and Castle waits with nothing in four seasons beyond one kiss to save Espo and Ryan ... sorry not buying what they are selling.
DeleteCastle is a DRAMEDY... not a COMEDY. Go watch Big Bang Theory of all you want to do is laugh. Castle even in seasons 1 and 2 had a balance of good and dark moments and just so you know those version of Castle & Beckett were soooooo not ready for a relationship. The ones we saw in seasons 3 and 4 are much closer to that point, but still are not quite there for a relationship, but it feels like we're almost there.
DeleteHang in there or walk away. You obviously didn't care about the show or the characters.... only what they could bring to Caskett.
You leave and then another fan is gained who may watch for the cases or the procedural or the character of Alexis or for Stana's hotness or Nathan's humor or the way Espo talks...
The point is there is no one kind of fan. Not everyone watches for Caskett, so leaving isn't going to be the end of the world or going to hurt AM because he knows he has to write for the casual audience too, not just spoiled shippers.
Sayonara.
For the first three seasons we have seen Rick evolve into the man he is this season. Beckett, in that time, has kept him at arms length. Everyone has been telling her take the step but she was afraid to be hurt.
ReplyDeleteThis season we see Kate evolve from a woman who has lived in a box (work and home) to a woman who wants more . Untruthfulness, confusion, and miscommunication have been the roadblocks presented to her so far.
I think the story has been presented well and will continue be entertainting if you WATCH and LISTEN.
Thank you Andrew Marlowe.
You know I really don't get why those who are fine with the show are going all crazy and defending Marlowe like is god. Come on guys, let those who aren't happy give their comments too. I'm fine with the pace, but I'm not going to tell someone who isn't to just keep quiet. This is a blog for the good and bad, if you don't like what someone is saying, just read the next comment then. You don't need to leave nasty comments to tell them what they thinking is wrong. That really doesn't make you any better. So can we please have some respect here.
ReplyDeleteIf fans are not happy, then they have their reasons, who am I to judge them and say, no they should just because I'm happy. This is silly. And from what I can see, most of the negative comments do have substance and good reasoning, so I would call that constructive. Though I am happy with things, I do wish they had spread out the secrets a little, instead of everything falling in the finale. This isn't an attack on Marlowe, it's just my personal opinion, I would have enjoyed that more. As for those skipping, well if they don't want to watch, then so be it. I will watch but I admit, I probably won't enjoy it simply because I'm not interested in seeing castle be mean to Beckett. So I get why some are just going to tune out. Nothing wrong with that. It's just a tv show, you can skip some episodes if you want, the police won't catch you. And then in the finale they can come back and watch, I mean Marlowe has already stated that there will be no movement with this drama that's happening now till the finale, so my guess the next episodes are fillers. And yes there a people who are not so keen on fillers. They may watch if they have nothing else to do, but the episode won't hold much importance, so skipping it will still allow the, to follow what's going on.
In any case, there will always be fans who like and dislike things, and Marlowe knows this, so them complaining really isn't something bad. Let everyone have their views and enjoy the show in whichever way they want. Some people watch for caskett, some for the cases, some for both, some because there's nothing better on Monday nights. Not everyone watches for every part of it, and there's nothing wrong with that. People watch what entertains them.
Well said! Anon 5.52PM
DeletePeople are upset b/c Castle did a full 180deg in 20sec flat. From Marlowe's perspective it was necessary for Beckett to fully break that wall....but there was a shock value for both Kate and viewers! Except it was so fast and unexpected it seemed improbable.
I admit, I was uncomfortable watching Limey! It felt like 'Slimey'!! But I get it. Much as I hated Castle for being so mean to het and her confused desperation at trying to understand what could possibly bring this change in him....I realize that they were stuck in a holding pattern, everyone could see that and it needed a crisis on a personal level for Beckett to muster up the courage or the FURY to tell him how she feels...
Anon 5:52 you are obviously one of those who complain, but you do it more intelligently... I still think you guys need to find another show to watch instead of the constant complaining. The story obviously isn't going the way you want or entertaining you, nor do some of you have any concept on how fiction works on tv, so why bother watching a show that upsets you so much?
DeleteHas anyones on here stopped to remember that the theme of this season is secrets?? I mean everybody probably figured that AM would want to make a dramatic finale with having them come out at that time anyway, so if he would have brought the topic of the secrets out like every episode or every other, like it sounds like some of you wish they would have, I mean there isn't much you can do with them holding their secrets from one another really unless they're going to tell eachother. What would they have done? Have scenes of eachother thinking to themselves and contemplating when they were going to tell eachother? I don't know about you guys but that would have gotten pretty boring pretty fast and the finale wouldn't have been as special as I KNOW it will be... Also the whole point of these normal cases and episodes this season were to show castle and beckett's relationship, friendship, strengthening. Beckett really broke down most of those walls this season and has opened up to castle a lot more. Castle has grown up A TON this season- even since last season! That brings up another point, What did you expect with some of these cases this season? The same old castle from season 1?? Castle has grown up and doesn't take murder as a joke anymore, I also feel that they brought some of the weird cases frome season 1 and 2 back... Remember from the first season: The girl in the washing machine and the girl found in the wall? Almost every episode from this season was strange in a great way, heck, the first episode inspired by many peices of Castle's books? And season 2: The women frozen?? Plus many more...There weren't many of those in season 3 except the first episode when the lady was hung upside down on a building. This season there have been a share of these strange cases... you can easily remember these cases, though some of you may not want to, these were amazing anhilarious episodes. Okay, there may have been an episode that lacked more than others, but they were all great for certain things in them. So, I don't know about you, but I have thoroughly enjoyed this season. They have brought many asets to this show this season, many feelings and emotions that I didn't think this show could bring. Including these episodes many of you are calling "filler episodes" which really they were actual story lines while strengthening Castle and Beckett's relationship, there were very emotional episodes on both of their parts. Remeber, Beckett was already shot at the beginning of the season and spent months away from castle... It was going to take a while to build that relationship again, also with trying to deal with the secrets they each are holding from eachother. Also there were many adorable "caskett" moments as well. This season has been magnificent and is most likely my favorite season so far. I enjoyed the charector development, and look forward to the episodes leading up to the season finale, and of course the season finale. Can't wait for more seasons in the future. Oh, and also about this angst between Castle and Beckett... We ALL knew it was going to happen, and many of us wanted it to happen right away this season and now that it's here, some people are simply complaining or giving up because it is too unbearable to watch them not working together! We are almost there guys, we can do this!! I could say much more on this subject but for now I will leave it at this. In AM we trust!! :D
ReplyDelete~Meg
Seriously, 111 comments about a damm TV program? Get a life people!
ReplyDeleteThey've not done anything to build a relationship. Nothing but work related no alone time. Sorry the story arc had a lot of potential instead we've seen an entire season with no relationship work at all. Now they want us to buy into everything. The cards will be on the table, but there won't be a Casket relationship yet I bet. More like they will know, but won't spend the summer together. I'm about fed up with the continued two steps forward two to the right two back and two to the left ... repeat ... repeat ... repeat. Kate's lied to Castle multiple times his season and back at the Demming arc she lied about having to work when she actually had plans to go away with Demming. Then to start season three the team isn't talking to Castle because he hasn't been in touch. He said he would be back in the fall ... guess what Season 3 debuted on the first day of fall, so if the story is true that the series is supposedly real time then they gave him cold shoulder for no reason. I know it's being picky ... my point is what has Beckett ever done that would keep Castle around romantically ...
ReplyDeleteNOTHING he called her on in at the end of last year and it was never addressed. AM blew that one ... at least a couple of intimate conversations throughout the season could have shown growth instead while she may be workign on things nothing has been given to Castle to encourage him to wait.
He's made to look like a wimp. From the story about what they plan to have in the finale ... a lot ... everything on the table ... my guess is we get some kissing then his board blows them up so we can repeat next year.
Sad.
I understand what you're saying but I have to disagree. I feel I understand why they've taken the route that they have this season. If you take a good look at what goes on in the mind of Kate Beckett you'll understand why. She is someone who because of her mother's murder built up a "wall", which she has hidden behind for so long. It is the reason why she has never stayed in a solid relationship and why she's kept Rick at arm's length for so long. You're right, Rick did call her out on it back in Knockdown, but he hasn't pushed the issue any further because she basically asked him to wait back in Rise and he loves her enough to respect that kind of request. Even up until Lanie backed her into a corner and forced her to admit (indirectly) that she has feelings for Rick, she was hiding behind that wall. Therefore this season has been devoted to forcing her to realize that she needs to put her mother's death behind her and move on (with Rick). She talked with her psychiatrist about moving on back in Kill Shot, but has fallen back into that "holding pattern" she has with Rick up until 47 Seconds, where he began to pull away from her upon discovering her secret. Despite knowing how Rick felt about her for so long she still hid behind her wall and kept him at arm's length. With Rick going AWOL she is going to be forced to realize the mistake she has made, but will be better for it once the dust settles. I feel that Rick's current anger towards her is only superficial and he will quickly put that past him when she does admit how she feels. Given the way these two have walked on eggshells around each other I suspect that Rick's life will have to be put in danger (in a mirror situation to the Season 3 finale), before she finally admits to him her feelings. He is still going to have questions about trust to her considering she lied to him for 10 months (although that would make him hypocritical because he has also kept a painful secret from her), but I think this whole experience will galvanise the two of them and push them to the closest point they've ever been to being in a relationship. So there you go, that's my explanation as to why they haven't pushed their relationship as much as people would've liked this season. I can understand why people are annoyed about a lack of progress, but I can also understand why these two have tip-toed around each other all season. At least now these issues are beginning to be addressed. Given the vibe from the Paley Fest we are looking at a wonderful and positive conclusion to the season. It will be interesting to see how everything gets handled in the remaining few episodes. The time is fast approaching where these two simply cannot be kept apart any longer. Andrew Marlowe feels that there is still a lot of material he can work with once the two of them become official and I look forward to seeing how they handle things with the two of them in a relationship.
DeleteWhy bother trying to explain to someone who said NOTHING has been done to show Castle & Beckett trying to build a relationship. I stopped reading after the first sentence. Anyone who thinks that is one of those "idiots" that supposedly AM feels is his audience.
DeletePerhaps this show is written too well for some people. There's always Beavis & Butthead.
Anon 2.39 AM here again. Lol are you calling me an idiot Anon 7.34 AM? Just so you know not everyone is "unhappy" with the current progress of this show!
DeleteI don't think they were calling you an "idiot" but the original poster playing on the fans' very wrong assumption that Marlowe sees them as an "idiot" because they don't know what they want.... which is true, imo. Nothing that airs on the show is good enough for some fans and they have yet to discover the up and down channel keys on their remote or have the patience to see them become "official" as if that's all to enjoy on the show.
DeleteCharacter's are being developed, else you would've seen blond guest stars in every episode, and Dr. Burke would have had one else patient!!
ReplyDeleteIn other news:
Wouldn't it be some irony if the Cole Maddox character infiltrates the 12th precinct b/c Castle decided he needs a break from them and tags along with slaughter? & Rick is the only person who knows THAT face!!
Wont happen probably but just a thought.
People are really going on an on about Nathan gaining weight, yes he has....but go back and watch season 1... Can you really identify our current Rick Castle with that boyish look from season 1&2? I couldn't. I am almost certain that if he were to lose all that weight, the face we associate with the depth of today's Castle will be somewhat lost.
I must admit I too have come a long way from those initial reactions after watching Limey. I truly felt uncomfortable throughout that episode. I am not sure which made me feel worse, Rick's behavior which even a 6 yr old would dismiss as childish or Kate's look of desperation as she watches her world spin out of control. AWM got the reaction he was aiming for, from these characters and what's more from his viewers! That my friend is really good story telling!!
Marlowe absolutely needed Kate Beckett utterly nervous, running from pillar to post trying to figure out what changed and more importantly how to fix it!! I cannot stand this angst, but I also know left to her we would be in season 7-8 by the time she is ready to break the wall that's been her loyal friend for over a decade! We have witnessed her tear it down one brick at a time but shattering it in one blow requires fear or FURY. It needed a crisis. Rick distancing himself will be the catalyst, but I think the final trigger would be his injury. (Remember in 47secs; people had plans, hopes and dreams and they never got the chance)!!! She needed a CRISIS and lucky for her, Rick steps up and turns into a jackass!!
Marlowe is already moving in the direction of a REAL relationship, timeline may not be exactly in sync with the viewers. I feel season 5 would be the age of romance since they do confront each other directly and at least we know that THEY know! Which is 'Always' crucial in terms of future castles babies!!
Them being separated to end a season is much preferable than missing months of Romance and Banter. Having said that, this separation won't be an emotional one...might be of occupation hazards!
The UPS of the show, is C&B!! They know that, and we know that.
Personally, a Kiss would be a perfect ending to this season....and would be even better if its a bit clumsy! as...Always!
HaHa! All of you disgruntled fans are eating your words after seeing Always. HaHa!
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