Does Castle have a tissue up his nose when they come out the elevator or is that a glare from a light? ROFL!!!
Ok, so I feel like I'm bipolar. LOL One minute I'm sad for Castle for feeling so bad and blue. Then I feel bad for Kate since Castle is treating her like trash. THEN excited for to see whats going to happen. My gosh, MONDAY please come! (The mondays with actual Castle episodes) LOL
OMG, it is too funny how he says NYPD wrong...I mean, seriously, how many times has he heard Beckett holler that in the past 4 years??!! Hehehe rookie move, Castle, rookie move!!! And yes, Anon 9:49, I'm pretty sure that's tissue up his nose in that final shot!
Wouldn't it be great if Castle hit him because when he finally comes to his senses as far as he still belongs with beckett and the gang that Slaughter somehow insults beckett and like calling all homicide detectives dumb and that from what he's heard from Castle (and I'm sure he's complained about kate to Slaughter saying she never let me do this or let me do that) beckett sounds like a real bitch, so Castle hits him for that and being dumb on the case since apparently Castle will be getting hurt on the case. I WOULD LOVE THAT!
Oh yes it would bee great if Castle hits Slaughter to defend Kate´s honor, and then he get beaten up and then she will save him that would really make my day ;-))
HaHa! I love Nathan and Adam. My John Casey back on tv from what was my second fav tv show before it got canceled (Chuck)... and now om my fav show still on tv?
This is fangasmic! Seriously... Nathan & Adam... Dayum!
And I am dying to see how Caskett end this episode...
I think it will be funny. Reminds me of castle back in suckerpunch, Beckett asking him to butch up before they went to see the westies...that scene was hilarious. I'm guessing castle will try to impress this slaughter guy, an maybe end up in some serious trouble. I would like to see Beckett come to his rescue, but I'm not sure where this episode will go. Castle still looks bitter and mad.
I would like Beckett to confront him, not asking weather he has time to chat or not, just dragging him to the side and asking what his problem is. This case may push her to do just that because castles getting out of control. And yes he is getting on my nerves too.
I too think this episode will end sadly...again...that will be 3 in a row, if I'm right. Not fun. But hopefully the finale makes up for all this turmoil.
Yes! Beckett needs to save Castle's life to even out the score. I think it's Castle:10 and Beckett:8 after he saved her in the two parter. And of course she needs to save him so they can both come out of this funk they've fallen into. I think this episode will end on a more positive note, because we know they're working together during Undead Again, so that leads me to believe that they reach some kind of peace or understanding during Headhunters.
I don't want to start a war or anything, but I kinda hope that Castle gets hurt while working with Slaughter. Not too bad or anything, but enough that Slaughter gets in trouble or suspended and Castle realizes how good he had it with Kate. Then he can have a serious conversation with her and they can be back on good term s for Undead Again!
Anon 10.47, come on, she doesn't treat him horribly. She has always been good to him and has his back. But the question here is, she can't fix something she doesn't know is broken. Yes what she did was wrong, but it certainly doesn't erase everything she has done for him. Just because she doesn't throw herself at him or flaunt over him doesn't mean she doesn't appreciate him. It means she isn't superficial. She loves him, a quiet kind of love. It's in her gestures, her eyes, her smiles. Castle knows this, he is just too upset at the moment to see it.
The reason castle fell in love with her to begin with was because she isn't superficial, and she doesnt fawn over him or let him get away with everything just because he is who he is. In fact at the moment, castle is the one who is being mean and horrible. Yes he is hurt but he isn't being fair. Give her a chance to explain at least. No, he just turns into a mean guy, deliberately hurting her with his dates and brushing her off.
Beckett has hurt him, but it wasn't intentional, he hurting her is, so he is the one being horrible here. I'm not surprised, castle has always been the childish one between them, and this is how he deals, but he will realize soon that his behaving this way is only making him look like a fool, especially when he has a huge secret too. I mean wouldn't he want a chance to explain when his secret comes out.
There is quiet love as you call it and showing hardly any emotion at all and with her it's a fine line for me. Sure she needs to keep him in place with his ego I grant you but would it kill her to actually throw him the equivalent of a shipper bone at some point to keep him going emotinally these last ten months? And no I don't consider smiling and making slightly wide eyes every few months at someone (often when he's not looking) enough. She spends too much time keeping him in his place and not enough showing that she values and loves this guy for me. I respect that you don't feel that way though.
When you're in love with someone you usually cannot help but show it with clumsy attempts to touch if you can, looks (yes like she sometimes gives) but also obvious care and concern - and for me she just doesn't do enough of that. If he does get badly hurt in this episode and her only reaction is a shrug and say I told you so then I'm over her so called love for him because you should be scared sick that he would get hurt. No wonder it's been so easy for Castle to assume she doesn't love him, I have a hard job believing it this season too.
I just can't feel sorry for her right now, she's clearly been quite happy to just sit there doing nothing and only gets scared and angry when he pulls away and looks like he's enjoying himself with another woman (or guy in this case!)- which he totally has every right to do as she hasn't made any claim over him that he knows of. If she had wanted to end all this pain she could have just told him she loved him ages ago and he would be hers. So her lack of wanting to take action is now biting her on the backside and she's just paying the price for thinking that she will tell him tomorrow - well tomorrow never comes does it and this guy can't wait around forever. He craves physical and emotional affection so she needs to start giving it.
I really wish they had got Rick and Kate talking about this in The Limey frankly because I don't like these recent episodes with all this gloom and doom.
At least this one looks like Rick is letting off some steam and having fun, which of course won't last long before he has to go back to Kate pity he can't just tell her the reason and she could then apologise - it's about time she said sorry to him and they had a lovely moment. I need it!
I think you're comment is very good Anon 11.27 PM. She was still in denial of her feelings for Rick by as recently as the last episode, until Lanie backed her into a corner and forced her into a position where she can no longer side-step the issue and has to do something about it before she loses him for good.
Naturally I think people will side with the female character in these situations in TV Shows. I'm pretty sure if the shoe was on the other foot and it was Beckett going AWOL there wouldn't be anywhere near the same amount of people chastising her for her actions as there have been for Rick.
It's difficult to watch Rick tumble down the rabbit hole, but I feel it was necessary for him to do this in order to force Kate to realize that she simply cannot keep him hanging in limbo while not really clearly showing him that she loves him too. She seems to have just expected him to turn up like a loyal puppy every day and by knowing that he would wait for her, given that's what she asked of him on the swing-set back in Rise, she could have him in her life without taking things further and risking getting hurt by him (emotionally). Therefore she has taken his feelings for granted somewhat. It is a painful lesson for her to learn but a necessary one if she is ever going to be truly ready for a relationship with Rick where she doesn't go in with one foot out the door just in case.
Coming back to agree with you 1.12 AM, even her talks with Lanie have been odd for me, it's as if she's just been in total denial about everything, just seems clear that she was getting complacent really. She has this great guy at her beck and call as her work husband but she simply was never prepared to take things further.
That is unfair on him, she either needs to step up to the plate and declare herself or just let him go off and be happy with the blonde! I think this episode may hopefully give her another push towards realising how close her actions are coming to losing him for good.
Love means taking risks and putting yourself out there - if she wants his love she needs to take a leap of faith - we all do, that's life!
She needs to make some kind of firm commitment to the guy and I will be annoyed if he just goes back to her without any sign that she has had to make some kind of sacrifice or tell him she cares in some way.
And I totally agree that part of this is a man/woman thing because if Kate had been acting up like Rick is currently doing I have a feeling the rancour about what he is doing would not nearly be so bad. They would be saying she deserves to be mad and act up a little to make him pay for what happened. And I'm a girl by the way but I still feel really sorry for Rick but not so upset for Kate for the reasons I've already given.
I think they both are at fault. I'm not taking sides. Both are afraid, both are gutless. Equal blame the way I see it. Both have lied, and both have to find forgiveness. Hopefully that's what happens.
Kate lied, but Rick doesn't even want to know why. That's not in character. What happened to wanting the story. Sometimes the writers aren't consistent, and we loyal fans can pick it up.
Totally agree 3.07AM you can pick stuff up that sometimes just doesn't sit right and I don't feel they've been acting that consistently recently, I would think Rick by now would have confronted Kate and the only reason he hasn't, well I think that's stalling by the writers to wait for the finale and it doesn't feel organic but that's just my take on it obviously.
@ Anon 11:00 - What Castle is doing is not intentional, he seriously believes that Kate doesn't love him, so he doesn't know that what he's doing is actually hurting her in any way.
I agree with Anon 11:27 - Kate hasn't done enough to show him that she loves him, in fact, she was trying to hide it rather, this is obvious when she asks Lanie "Do you think he knows?" in 4x20, as in oh no, I hope he doesn't know. This is all Kate's fault, if she'd been more compromising towards Castle's feelings, this wouldn't have happened. I like watching her chase after him because he's been chasing after her for 4 years. And the sad thing is, I don't think she's doing enough to get him back, I mean she ended up calling Colin last episode.
@ Anon 3:07 and 6:12 - It's true, Rick would search for the full story, but this is HIS story we're talking about, not a random person, and he's almost convinced that she doesn't love him, he clearly does not want to know the ending to his story by talking with her because he thinks it's only going to confirm what he already believes, shattering every bit of hope he has left in him. He's already hurt, talking to her to confirm she doesn't love him will ruin him.
At the end of the day, these two people love each other very much, yes, each show it in different ways (and yes sometimes I wish Kate would compromise more for Rick and step her game), but these two are soulmates and eventually, they'll find a way into each other's arms and they'll look back at this rough patch and laugh about how stupid their actions were and how glad they communicated and figured things out. Frankly, it reminds me of Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth from Pride and Prejudice, both were embarrassed by their faults in the end and after they talked it out, Elizabeth told Darcy to "Think only of the past as its remembrance gives you pleasure".
@ Anon 11:00 - What Rick is doing is not intentional. He seriously believes she doesn't love him so he doesn't know it's hurting him.
@ Anon 11:27 - I agree with you. Kate hasn't done enough to show him she loves him and not enough to get him back. I think she's still a bit in denial and not 100% sure Castle is what she wants. I mean from Lanie's talks, she was still doubting his true character and hoping he didn't know she was crazy about him. I like seeing Kate chase him for once, this is punishment for her and I hope she learns a good lesson from this, that she can't take Castle for granted anymore and she needs to learn to compromise for him. I would hate it if Castle forgives her in 4x21. I want her to make the move to fixing this, not Castle.
@ Anons 3:07 and 6:12 - It's true that Rick would want to search for every piece of the story, but this is HIS story we're talking about, not a random person. He's almost convinced she doesn't love him, he thinks talking to her to find the truth will only confirm what he already believes. He's already hurt, getting a confirmation by her that she doesn't love him will damage him even worse. So at the moment, he's not wanting to talk to her, but if she can step up her game and show him that he was wrong in his conclusions, give him a bit of hope, then maybe he'll be open to talking.
The truth of the matter is, we have two people who truly love each other and who are truly soulmates. Eventually, they'll find their way to each other's arms and laugh about this rough patch in their relationship. It kind of reminds me of Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth from Pride and Prejudice, both felt ashamed at their faults, but after talking about it, Elizabeth told Darcy to forget about what happened and to, "Think only of the past as its remembrance gives you pleasure."
I think y'all have been reading too much fan fiction. I think you've re-written every angsty conversation in every post-ep fic since 47 Seconds. Also, if you're gonna have a comment war, at least sign in. I can't follow this Anon+time stuff. Lol.
Btw, I agree with the Original comment. I think the writers have taken this childish, hurt Castle thing and stretched it a little thin. Hopefully they have Kate giving him a good Gibbs smack. (oh no, I watch another show, don't throw sticks at me!) :)
Wonder how this will end. Castle walking away again? Castle being mean and brushing her off again? Don't get me wrong, I love the show, but I don't want the least few episodes of the season, or the series, you never know since it hasn't been renewed yet, to be so gloomy, and depressing.
I love the way Nathan says his opening line about not getting any inspiration, he sure is still annoyed with Kate and I love it. I hope she is concerned because it's about time she acted and pulled her grown woman pants up, took him by the nose into an interrogation room and fessed up to everything.
That would put Rick out of his misery of believing she doesn't love him and they could get back together. Clearly something happens because they're working together in the next episode but I doubt they talk about anything serious which will be annoying because it's all just leading to everything coming out in the finale which I personally think is poor pacing.
Love Rick and Slaughter together and Rick doing guy stuff with guns and throwing punches - loved the tissue up the nose, could this finally prompt Kate into showing some actual genuine girlfriend style concern for the guy she truly loves? You know like normal women do? I can but dream.
I really hope, this episode could be a nice break from all the Caskett angsty looks between the two of them - I'd rather Rick locked eyes with Slaughter for a while to give me a break after the last two episodes.
Haha I can really see Beckett pulling Castle by his ears And lead him to somewhere private to talk...but are you sure the interrogation is the best place? The whole precinct would be starring at them behind the one-way glass ;)
She should take him in there, holding him by the nose and then free view for everyone in the interrogation room for their showdown and if they got a kiss out of it (okay that will never happen in this episode) all the better.
I hate it when these two are at odds but right now I'm with Rick on this one, keep acting out until you've blown off your head of steam and go out there and do guy stuff.
He's surrounded by women giving him a hard time usually so he needs to do this - go get em Sherlock! Love Adam Baldwin.
In that scene where he says he's not getting inspiration--is that Beckett in his office he's talking to? The person's hair seemed darker than Martha's or Alexis'. Or am I seeing things?
I hope it's not Beckett, he seems really angry and mean in this scene. I know he's brokenhearted and feels betrayed but she does not deserve that… Especially if she's at his loft to tell him how she feels.
No I don't think he is talking to her he seems seriously bitter there - he wouldn't be like that to Kate's face. I think it's either Martha or actually Slaughter has turned up at his house after they meet.
I'd like to see an ending that mirrors the one from Killshot. Castle knew something was wrong with Kate and gave her some space, with a little help from Esposito. This time it's the other way around. Beckett is the one concerned. I hope she realizes in this ep why he's acting all weird and decides to give him space and time to steam off til he comes back to his senses, wich he will beacause they are together in Undead Again.
In the end, i imagine a sweet Caskett moment. Beckett is making coffee in the break room, Castle walks in. The look at each other, eyes filled with love. They don't say a word but they understand each other. Kate: How many coffees did you say i owe you ? Castle : About a hundred... Kate, giving him the coffee : Here you go. That's one. Castle : Thank you Kate : Always
The storm is gone. Now let's get it on with the good stuff
The US promo has Kate saying oh no what if I waited too long I bet that is her talking to her threipist and he's getting her to open up this will hopefully be what we been waiting for now just tell Castle lol
Yeah as much as I'm hoping things are better by the end, I doubt it. Marlowe did say that all will only be settled in the finale, so it's still stormy till then. As much as I'm glad they are at this point meaning they will be forced to deal soon, I hate that I'm not enjoying the last few eps of the season. This will be pretty much be like Limey, where they work apart, and castle just blows off Beckett any chance he gets. Fine he is angry and all, but I'm already bored of this storyline. Wish they paced it a little, like at least have them confront their feelings in headhunters, then in undead again, they need to decide what they want, then the finale, they actually take whatever step it is they want to take. Rather than everything coming out in the finale. Beckett needs to grow up a little here, your best friend, partner keeps pushing you away and you're not demanding an explanation. She is too passive, which doesn't make sence because the real Beckett would have dragged him by the ear demanding an explanation by now. I can only hope that headhunters isn't just castle shooting daggers at Beckett and making snide remarks. I don't like vengeful and vindictive castle. Its like he has never not gotten his way and now he is just throwing a tantrum like a brat. It's making this show far less enjoyable than it usually is.
Totally agree with you Anon 12.52AM, I really haven't enjoyed these last two episodes and I find the pacing and apparent story arc of these 5 episodes leading up to the finale rather poor. It seems clear from interviews Marlowe has given that even now they are not going to discuss anything important until the finale.
So although they obviously get back together in some way at the end of this episode - still nothing has happened since Rick heard Kate say something in that interrogation room. How can you have four episodes of zero communication between these two and make it look organic?
It just doesn't fly with me, these characters are now behaving off the wall, Kate is apparently totally clueless as to why he's acting up and has no interest in trying to figure it out herself as a detective would, she gets blown off once and she phones up another guy for a drink - what was that about? And Rick is now all passive aggressive with her and refusing to just have it out and get things off his chest and confront her.
Watching these last few episodes have been really tough and I haven't enjoyed them and I don't want to have to watch Castle to get depressed.
I just don't think that putting everything into the finale works for me, they should have paced this all out to give the characters room to breath a little.
Nothing can move this story forward unless they actually talk, I hope Marlowe realises this, right now it's just like treading water watching these two snipe at each other and it saddens me.
Castle- "Muses are to provide inspiration. And right now, I ain't getting any." Commentator- "How do you solve a case of writer's block?" Castle "I just need something different." Commentator- "Will take a new partner for a spin." Castle- "That was awesome! Beckett never drives on the side like that." Slaughter- "Yell NYPD! The louder the better." Commentator- "And get your hands dirty." Castle- "NPYD nobody move!" Castle- "Little help." Beckett- "What?!" Castle; "I love this run and gun police work."
I think they should replace characters, Castle should now work with this Slaughter guy. Beckett start to really annoy me, her character is just being neurotic and dumb, if Stana wasnt so gorgeous Beckett character would be completely boring and giving nothing in the show.
Would be cool if in the next season Nathan and Adam worked together.
Ok this my not be a popular comment.. It's a regular castle episode with a guest star who was more famous in chuck than he ever was in firefly. I watched firefly, it was ok but it ended like ages ago. And Nathan is way more famous now because of castle than he ever was because of firefly. I respect all you fans out there, but this is castle, not firefly, if you want firefly watch the DVD or something, I don't know, but your comment about Beckett and slaughter is sorry to say, downright silly. Stop getting confused between the shows. Just watch how ratings will plummet if ever what you said happened. Though we all know it will never happen, but it's just silly to even suggest.
Beckett is the way she is for a reason, if you have watched castle from the start you would know that. Marlowe has done a good job portraying her, she is scared and naive when it comes to relationships, she hasn't had a real one in her life. And so yes that can make someone neurotic, but that's life.
Anyway don't mean to offend any firefly fans. Just my two cents.
Here we go with the firefly worshipping. I have nothing against that show, but man I pity Adam Baldwin because all he stands for apparently is firefly. A show that ended after one season. I prefer to talk about him being on chuck.
Don't mean to be rude but maybe you can go to the firefly spoiler site or website and talk about a show where castle and slighter are partners. I'm sure you will have lots of fans agreeing with you. This however is a castle site about the relationship between caste and Beckett.
LOL, does it make you high to troll every Castle board with the same stupid comment? Didn't you get the same responses for the posters on the ABC forums? Here's an idea, get twitter and worship Adam Baldwin and firefly elsewhere.
Of course, like I said s1/2 are still the best. Best two-parter, cases were more realistically, fun lines/dialogs, snarky comments and many other things. S3 was half and half. S4 is really crap and two-parter was horrible.
Dont get me wrong. Beckett character was nice in seasons 1/2 kinda badass, snarky remarks and on-liners and she looked like a real cop etc. This season not. Its really boring with her all crap, many people had trauma in their lives and they can live normal. I dont get it why Marlow playing now all the time this 'drama' card.
I sometimes have feelings that this 'romantic dance' ruined this show. It was beginned in late s2 and now its really annoying. I dont like moody Castle. Like Rick from s1/2 would ask "Where is fun in that?"
if you think that those who have had a recent trauma in their lives can live normal ten months later is because you've never had to endure any trauma. What Kate's gone through in the span of a year is not normal. Give her time to heal.
I have to agree Anon 04.10 AM, I loved seasons 1/2 Kate, she was snarky, serious, vulnerable, a great cop and she didn't have all these ISSUES. Sure she was was terribly upset about her mothers death but she was gradually coming to terms with things and she was opening up more due to Castle but then they had to make her neurotic (that's my take I hasten to add), she has walls and issues upon issues and she seemingly can't function anymore like people have to do every day in this world with a hell of a lot more trauma than she has had.
She's been sitting around for ten months navel gazing from what I can see, a few bouts of PTSD are shown and then disappear and I can't remember when she last went to the shrink so what's up with her really? What are he issues? I have no idea really and I doubt she knows either! Seems just an excuse to hide behind so you don't live.
Seemed to me from her talk with Lanie, until Rick went off with another women she was just happy to wait around. That doesn't sound like someone to me who is still dealing with emotional issues, that sounds suspiciously like a woman who is fine but just doesn't want to do anything that might risk anything emotionally for her. So she seemed happy to just keep Rick as what her work pet?
I wish they would ditch Kate's trauma and her walls because I'm sorry I don't find this stuff entertaining, I don't want to watch a show about a woman constantly having mental health issues. Can we please either get on with the "romantic dance" so it fades into the background more and get back to the fun, the great cases AND Kate and Rick happy and trading romantic, snarky banter with each other. I don't want them bogged down in all this emotional angst and pain.
So hopefully Marlowe realises this with his recent comments about returning to fun, I sure as hope so because I don't want to have to sit through another season of secrets not being told for 23 episodes!
I think secrets/walls/insecurities etc. are like Josh/Gina/Demming in previous seasons. Its just excuses to drag whole season in that way to keeping them apart. I think they missed window to bring them together somewhere after Copps&Robbers.
I agree, the time to get them together organically for me this season was after Cops & Robbers when they really seemed in sync with each other and then everything just stalled for the rest of the season. I guess Kate and her walls are just another reason to halt progress like Josh was or Gina so that'a good way of looking at it I guess.
I just hope Marlowe hasn't missed his window because you can drag this out too long after a while.
It's not a case of not liking it, I love the show but I just don't happen to agree with how this season they've told Kate and Rick's story, I also don't think the pacing and story arc has been that wonderful - these secrets haven't been that exciting a story for me as they've been dormant basically all season.
I don't see what is horrible about the Castle fandom and think it's wrong to label fans "horrible" if you simply don't agree with them. Please try not to make assumptions just because some fans are not happy and say so, that doesn't mean they don't love the show, it means they care and actually feel they can come here and say something and invite a friendly discussion with people.
Of course this story started with Kate and Rick and will probably end with them but don't you care HOW they get there? Or does it not matter if it takes another seven seasons before anything actually happens seriously betweeen them just as long as it happens? For me the journey is just as important and if I think the journey has grown stale or gone off the tracks at some point there should be no harm in saying that.
Surely all fans of TV shows don't like everything about their favourite show ALL the time? You could like one season and hate the next. Telling them to just switch off and watch something else is rather insulting.
And Anon 6 AM I get it alright, I just don't like what I'm getting right now from Marlowe that's all!
Hopefully I'll feel differently by the time the finale comes around as a long time fan of the show (yes I am fan) I'm looking forward to something positive happening between Kate and Rick after what's been a rather grim few episodes for me.
Castle seems in way over his head...I am betting that Det. Slaughter will semi-abandon him partway through the episode and Beckett, Ryan, & Espo will need to save his ass xD.
Everyone just have a little patience. Yeah these past two episodes weren't fun, but the story is true to the characters. I think this needed to happen to make Kate realize the true value of Castle. She has taken him for granted these past years. I wouldn't be comfortable with them getting together knowing that usually Castle is the one who compromises for her, dropping everything to help her. Would you have truly fangirled without any concerns if they had gotten together after Cops & Robbers knowing how unfair Kate has treated Castle? It's almost been a one-way relationship with only Castle putting the real effort here. So until Kate shows me that she deserves Castle and fights hard to get him back, then I'll feel that now they have an equal two-way relationship, where both deserve each other equally and both put equal effort into making it happen and last. After this rough patch is dealt with, I'll feel comfortable with them getting together.
I agree, Anon 7.13 AM, for me it's Rick's that always had to do the heavy lifting so to speak in the relationship, he's the one that's always had to apologise and make up with Kate. She never seems to give an inch to him, it's all one way traffic. For me that is not a healthy relationship and I don't want to see that continue, it's time for Kate to take on some of the load for once and put herself out there. You can't be in a good relationship if you don't both put in the effort needed to make it work.
So like you, Kate has to show me that she feels the same way and wants to love and support him like he's supported her, she's got to want to fight for it. She has to go through this pain to come out the other side and realise she's in love and has to act and show how much she loves this guy. I really hope this episode goes some way to doing that.
Will someone please explain the title "Headhunters"? Other titles have fit with the case. Michael Dorn is in this episode. As far as the last two episodes, we see a comfortable world of Beckett crumbling at her feet. I think with the doctor she will discover that she slipped her secret out in the interogation room and realize Rick had heard her. In some way I feel the doc will bring them back together.
The title 'Headhunters' probably refers to several characters in this episode. The most obvious is the ruthless-looking Det. Slaughter and the drug-dealers he is going after.
I think a secondary meaning refers to Beckett's shrink "hunting around her head" and finding out what she really wants to do with her life.
Finally, I think "Headhunters" seems like an apt title, since nearly all the characters seem to be at each other's throats...or at least after Castle's head for one reason or another: -Castle is so angry at Beckett that he leaves her for a new work-partner. -Beckett, Ryan, & Espo feel betrayed by Castle leaving them. -Det. Slaughter will probably cause harm to multiple people, including Castle. -Beckett might go after Det. Slaughter for mistreating Castle.
Well its not about reciprocate feelings. I think Rick would understand if she said something like "I remember what you said but I can't say this to you what you said to me" or something along this line. I think its about how she treated him. After all he is her best friend right?? And NO its not about his big ego. Its about some dignity that everyone has. Look at this from his perspective, he opened and poured his heart and she just threw this out of the window like never existed...
Again FROM HIS POV, he need someone help him to look at this differently, Martha? Maybe Lanie/Esposito?
he opened his heart when she was lying on the floor in a pool of blood after being shot thinking she was going to die. He should have reminded her that he loved her when she came back to the precinct after the summer.
I just can't see that as a viable option. Beckett is distant and brushes off talk in the hospital, avoids him for three months, and then emphatically tells him she isn't ready for any kind of personal entanglements. Putting aside entirely that it seems the main motivation for her contacting him is for information on the case, do you really think such a declaration then would have gotten a positive response, considering?
I think I might be alone in looking forward to the filler eps before the finale.
I had every expectation Marlowe would drive Beckett and Castle further apart before letting them sweep back together, if only to heighten the stakes. My only real beef with Marlowe & Co. is the pacing they chose for the season, not so much the material given.
S3 had a great cohesiveness to it, a great and constant underlying pulse. That was put into a holding pattern for S4 in the guise of Secrets and Healing. I liked the premise that set up in terms of conundrums for both Castle and Beckett. What I think I began to become impatient with was that these were not even hinted at, even in passing, very often thru the season. Just a reminder here and there that these things were still burbling away as factors in the background, even if the cases were continuing as usual.
Don't get em wrong, Kill Shot & Dial M did touch on Beckett's issues and Rick's Pawn Predicament, but much of the pulse of the show, that these two were trying to find a way to be together, was not really present.
There were some aspects material wise that I didn't enjoy, the Limey being an exemplar of most - I just didn't really like the directions they chose for Rick and Kate's "acting out." It did feel a bit of character defamation rather than how I thought either would really react.
I'm really looking forward to the Firefly Reunion, I'm really looking forward to Zombies. I'm looking forward to a bit more Caskett stewing, and I'm looking forward to Roy Montgomery's widow making an appearance and providing a core-shaking wake-up call for the pair of them.
What looks interesting in Headhunters is that it also seems to show how the whole team is effected by the Caskett drift. The whole NYPD universe is tilting cos these two can't seem to figure it out, lol. The earth further splits and the dead rise to walk again. If they don't clue in soon, pretty soon cats and dogs will be living together and we'll get armageddon, lol.
When Caskett finally put their cards on the table, all will return to normal, such as it is for them. Personally, I'm hoping the card game involves strip poker, but it is a family show after all :p.
Enjoy the ride Kids. The Limey was angst. Headhunters is a boy's night out counterpart to Lanie/Kbex chat. Zombies are the crucible. It's already turned the corner. It gets better.
"It did feel a bit of character defamation rather than how I thought either would really react"
Exactly!!
I just don't buy Castle's reaction to her secret. Not believable. He's never been mean and vindictive and nothing ever has hinted that was in his character. Even when he had ample provocation.
Remember when the actress plays him to get a role as Nikki Heat. He understands and forgive her. There and then with no sulking. And she'd played him like a deck of cards.
Remember when Beckett didn't call him for three months after being shot. He worked on her case for most of the time and then forgave her in the space of one swing ride.
Remember when she lied to him about going away with Demming. He was sad for a day or two then made new plans that didn't include any element of revenge or bitterness.
None of these examples shows vindictive behavior. Both are the complete 180 degree opposite. Instead he has consistently showed us to be big hearted, generous and very forgiving. He's on good terms with both of the ex-wives for goodness sake!
But NOW we are supposed to believe he is going out of his way to say mean things, do mean things and in general behave out of spite??? And not just for a few minutes but for days and weeks?
Well I don't. It just doesn't ring true.
I'm hoping against hope it's all a cunning act by Castle to force Beckett to come clean. He's playing a part. THAT I would believe.
But sadly I don't think that's how it will play out.
Beckett, on the other hand, I do find believable. She's been a total wimp with her emotions & personal life since day one. A complete and delightful opposite to her professional behavior.
I love the contradiction. Tough, savvy, dangerous as a cop. Complete ninny in her love life. To me that's a lot of the show - Castle's journey to unwrap that contradiction, that mystery.
So to me, her reaction to Castle's abrupt behavior change has been most believable. I hated the moment she called the bad accent duffus to take up his offer of a date. That was the most abject act of cowardice imaginable.
But true to her character from the first three seasons. The difference being that now, at last, she knows it to be a problem that she needs to fix.
God I really hated that call she made, come on Kate! You love this guy (Castle) and yet after getting brushed off you decide to give up and phone a another guy? Talk about weak willed, she's just so childlike in her private life and unsure it's almost not realistic for me. I still love her but right now she bugs me quite a bit with her passive attitude to going out there and staking her claim to her man!
Go on girl go get him! If she doesn't shift herself soon he will be off with that blonde for good. I just hope you're right and she now realises that if she doesn't step up soon and say something Rick is gone and frankly I don't blame him.
@ Anon 12:09 - In Castle's defense, he hasn't really said anything really mean directly to her. He seriously believes she doesn't love him, so he doesn't think what he's saying or doing should be hurting her in any way. Also, I love how forgiving Castle is too, but at the same time, I've been waiting for the moment for him to take a stand and not let people take him for granted because he's forgiving and kind. The truth is, Kate is not just any other woman he can forgive easily, she's the love of his life. So if he forgives and lets go easily, it means he didn't really care in the first place or the harm done to him was no big deal at all and nothing to dwell on. But this time, it's different, the harm is done by Kate and he cares and it hurts in a way no other person can hurt him. So him behaving out of character is exactly what I would expect. If he didn't behave like this and forgave her in an instance, I'd be worried if he loved her at all. He's been forgiving her all these years, giving her time and space, he's just had enough now, calling her off for how she treats him unfairly. At the moment, he's not even thinking logically, he's letting his emotions drive him.
@ Anon 1:40 - I also hated the fact that Kate called Colin at the end, but I also have a feeling that Kate believes she's not good enough for Castle and that he deserves better than her, so when he says "I need fun and uncomplicated", she actually agrees with him, that's why she lets him go and doesn't say anything in defense. She loves him enough to let him go and be happy with someone who won't make him wait and hurt him like she has. In a way, it's brave and loving of her. But still, it was only a few seconds after that she called Colin, it still bothered me.
He didn't say anything mean to her? So I imagined the "fun and uncomplicated" line? Wow!
This is the guy who read her as wounded in the very first episode. This is the guy who slowly discovered the reason for her to be the way she is. This is the guy who witnessed that she would rather sacrifice herself and die together with Montgomery than to lose another person she loves in the hangar. This is the guy who was the closest to her when she laid there and was about to die.
He is the one who knows exactly that while she may be "fun" on occasion she never will be "uncomplicated". And he knows damn well why it is so.
And you're telling me that this line was unintentional? Sorry, I don't believe that for ONE second. It was IMO a deliberate "F*** OFF with all your issues" to Kate.
Having criticized the writers for their portrayal of rejected Castle, to be fair we must offer up more plausible alternatives.
That's hard to do.
In season 2, Castle was faced with an identical choice. He saw and heard Kate commit to Deming right in front of him (Castle) with zero chance of misunderstanding. This clearly hurt his still forming feelings for Beckett. So what does he do? He exercises his big heart and figures Kate would be happier without him around and removes himself to the Hamptons for the summer (actually for ever because he fails to see any reason to go back until he hears Deming has been dumped).
Well we can't have Castle do that this time. Not much of a show with him gone 4 episodes too soon.
Instead of the Hamptons, can we keep away from the precinct but still in the show? Yes we could, we could invent a storyline that keeps him home to research a new book that gets him into mad scrapes. Or some other excuse. But if he does that, how can he keep his solemn promise to stay close to Beckett to protect her from the Dragon? He can't.
So he has to stay in town and he has to go to the precinct on a daily basis to guard Beckett.
At the same time as trying to get feelings about her out of his system.
Anon3:02pm Thank you!! That line was so intentional to hurt her. My only 2 questions are people were mad how quickly Kate called up Colin, don't get me wrong I was too, but how can she fight for him if he won't tell her the freaking problem?! Ya she's a detective, but rick's the writer. He always wants to know the story but he won't even hear her side of it. The dude has a right to be pissed, but if he doesn't want to confront her, then either admit you love her, and face her or stop saying mean things if you won't let her know why you have a right to be mad. I mean seriously? Come on rick. I'm all for Kate chasing him and fighting fir him but she can't really fix anything unless he freaking tells her. My other question is what's happening with the murder board?? Rick says the love switch is off and that he only goes to the precinct for the victims, but then what is he using to justify the murder board. He kept it because he loves her and wants to protect her, he still loves her, but he is pushing her away now. I'm not saying that he would just give her the info and be like try not to die. But trying to keep her safe because he loves her and can't stand to live without her, shouldn't he give it to somebody else then if he doesn't want to be in her personal life? Isnt that what made his secret so selfless? And how can he just forget all the moments they shared after her secret with being a one writer girl, and the talk on the swings? Kate will need to fight for him and fix this after she finds out what's wrong. Rick will need to hear her out, and tell her. And also not make intental mean comments. Seriously fun and uncomplicated?! That was like him saying have fun with your issues. Not!
Does Castle have a tissue up his nose when they come out the elevator or is that a glare from a light? ROFL!!!
ReplyDeleteOk, so I feel like I'm bipolar. LOL One minute I'm sad for Castle for feeling so bad and blue. Then I feel bad for Kate since Castle is treating her like trash. THEN excited for to see whats going to happen. My gosh, MONDAY please come! (The mondays with actual Castle episodes) LOL
OMG, it is too funny how he says NYPD wrong...I mean, seriously, how many times has he heard Beckett holler that in the past 4 years??!! Hehehe rookie move, Castle, rookie move!!!
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, Anon 9:49, I'm pretty sure that's tissue up his nose in that final shot!
I am so excited to see how this season plays out. Although it is gonna be painful on the caskett front for a bit.
ReplyDeletehahaha ROFL..does Castle Hit Slaughter..or is that just my mind playing tricks?
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It definitely looks like Castle hits Slaughter. I noticed that too. ;)
DeleteWouldn't it be great if Castle hit him because when he finally comes to his senses as far as he still belongs with beckett and the gang that Slaughter somehow insults beckett and like calling all homicide detectives dumb and that from what he's heard from Castle (and I'm sure he's complained about kate to Slaughter saying she never let me do this or let me do that) beckett sounds like a real bitch, so Castle hits him for that and being dumb on the case since apparently Castle will be getting hurt on the case. I WOULD LOVE THAT!
DeleteOh yes it would bee great if Castle hits Slaughter to defend Kate´s honor, and then he get beaten up and then she will save him that would really make my day ;-))
DeleteJane from Denmark
HaHa! I love Nathan and Adam. My John Casey back on tv from what was my second fav tv show before it got canceled (Chuck)... and now om my fav show still on tv?
ReplyDeleteThis is fangasmic! Seriously... Nathan & Adam... Dayum!
And I am dying to see how Caskett end this episode...
I can tell this is not gonna be a happy episode for the comment boards. I'm already bracing myself for all the negativity...
ReplyDelete"Beckett never drives on the sidewalk!" Yes, Castle, there's a good reason for that...
ReplyDeleteROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DeleteI think it will be funny. Reminds me of castle back in suckerpunch, Beckett asking him to butch up before they went to see the westies...that scene was hilarious. I'm guessing castle will try to impress this slaughter guy, an maybe end up in some serious trouble. I would like to see Beckett come to his rescue, but I'm not sure where this episode will go. Castle still looks bitter and mad.
ReplyDeleteI would like Beckett to confront him, not asking weather he has time to chat or not, just dragging him to the side and asking what his problem is. This case may push her to do just that because castles getting out of control. And yes he is getting on my nerves too.
I too think this episode will end sadly...again...that will be 3 in a row, if I'm right. Not fun. But hopefully the finale makes up for all this turmoil.
Just my thoughts...all the way from Malaysia.
Yes! Beckett needs to save Castle's life to even out the score. I think it's Castle:10 and Beckett:8 after he saved her in the two parter. And of course she needs to save him so they can both come out of this funk they've fallen into. I think this episode will end on a more positive note, because we know they're working together during Undead Again, so that leads me to believe that they reach some kind of peace or understanding during Headhunters.
DeleteI don't want to start a war or anything, but I kinda hope that Castle gets hurt while working with Slaughter. Not too bad or anything, but enough that Slaughter gets in trouble or suspended and Castle realizes how good he had it with Kate. Then he can have a serious conversation with her and they can be back on good term s for Undead Again!
ReplyDeleteOh no, Beckett looks upset again. Castle needs to wake up, he is annoying me as hell. Enough with this childish tantrums.
ReplyDeleteI hope Beckett questions this new behavior he is having.
I think Beckett needs to wake up. Castle has always been there for her, done so much for her and she treats him horribly. She doesn't deserve him.
DeleteAnon 10.47, come on, she doesn't treat him horribly. She has always been good to him and has his back. But the question here is, she can't fix something she doesn't know is broken. Yes what she did was wrong, but it certainly doesn't erase everything she has done for him. Just because she doesn't throw herself at him or flaunt over him doesn't mean she doesn't appreciate him. It means she isn't superficial. She loves him, a quiet kind of love. It's in her gestures, her eyes, her smiles. Castle knows this, he is just too upset at the moment to see it.
DeleteThe reason castle fell in love with her to begin with was because she isn't superficial, and she doesnt fawn over him or let him get away with everything just because he is who he is. In fact at the moment, castle is the one who is being mean and horrible. Yes he is hurt but he isn't being fair. Give her a chance to explain at least. No, he just turns into a mean guy, deliberately hurting her with his dates and brushing her off.
Beckett has hurt him, but it wasn't intentional, he hurting her is, so he is the one being horrible here. I'm not surprised, castle has always been the childish one between them, and this is how he deals, but he will realize soon that his behaving this way is only making him look like a fool, especially when he has a huge secret too. I mean wouldn't he want a chance to explain when his secret comes out.
There is quiet love as you call it and showing hardly any emotion at all and with her it's a fine line for me. Sure she needs to keep him in place with his ego I grant you but would it kill her to actually throw him the equivalent of a shipper bone at some point to keep him going emotinally these last ten months? And no I don't consider smiling and making slightly wide eyes every few months at someone (often when he's not looking) enough. She spends too much time keeping him in his place and not enough showing that she values and loves this guy for me. I respect that you don't feel that way though.
DeleteWhen you're in love with someone you usually cannot help but show it with clumsy attempts to touch if you can, looks (yes like she sometimes gives) but also obvious care and concern - and for me she just doesn't do enough of that. If he does get badly hurt in this episode and her only reaction is a shrug and say I told you so then I'm over her so called love for him because you should be scared sick that he would get hurt. No wonder it's been so easy for Castle to assume she doesn't love him, I have a hard job believing it this season too.
I just can't feel sorry for her right now, she's clearly been quite happy to just sit there doing nothing and only gets scared and angry when he pulls away and looks like he's enjoying himself with another woman (or guy in this case!)- which he totally has every right to do as she hasn't made any claim over him that he knows of. If she had wanted to end all this pain she could have just told him she loved him ages ago and he would be hers. So her lack of wanting to take action is now biting her on the backside and she's just paying the price for thinking that she will tell him tomorrow - well tomorrow never comes does it and this guy can't wait around forever. He craves physical and emotional affection so she needs to start giving it.
I really wish they had got Rick and Kate talking about this in The Limey frankly because I don't like these recent episodes with all this gloom and doom.
At least this one looks like Rick is letting off some steam and having fun, which of course won't last long before he has to go back to Kate pity he can't just tell her the reason and she could then apologise - it's about time she said sorry to him and they had a lovely moment. I need it!
I think you're comment is very good Anon 11.27 PM. She was still in denial of her feelings for Rick by as recently as the last episode, until Lanie backed her into a corner and forced her into a position where she can no longer side-step the issue and has to do something about it before she loses him for good.
DeleteNaturally I think people will side with the female character in these situations in TV Shows. I'm pretty sure if the shoe was on the other foot and it was Beckett going AWOL there wouldn't be anywhere near the same amount of people chastising her for her actions as there have been for Rick.
It's difficult to watch Rick tumble down the rabbit hole, but I feel it was necessary for him to do this in order to force Kate to realize that she simply cannot keep him hanging in limbo while not really clearly showing him that she loves him too. She seems to have just expected him to turn up like a loyal puppy every day and by knowing that he would wait for her, given that's what she asked of him on the swing-set back in Rise, she could have him in her life without taking things further and risking getting hurt by him (emotionally). Therefore she has taken his feelings for granted somewhat. It is a painful lesson for her to learn but a necessary one if she is ever going to be truly ready for a relationship with Rick where she doesn't go in with one foot out the door just in case.
Coming back to agree with you 1.12 AM, even her talks with Lanie have been odd for me, it's as if she's just been in total denial about everything, just seems clear that she was getting complacent really. She has this great guy at her beck and call as her work husband but she simply was never prepared to take things further.
DeleteThat is unfair on him, she either needs to step up to the plate and declare herself or just let him go off and be happy with the blonde! I think this episode may hopefully give her another push towards realising how close her actions are coming to losing him for good.
Love means taking risks and putting yourself out there - if she wants his love she needs to take a leap of faith - we all do, that's life!
She needs to make some kind of firm commitment to the guy and I will be annoyed if he just goes back to her without any sign that she has had to make some kind of sacrifice or tell him she cares in some way.
And I totally agree that part of this is a man/woman thing because if Kate had been acting up like Rick is currently doing I have a feeling the rancour about what he is doing would not nearly be so bad. They would be saying she deserves to be mad and act up a little to make him pay for what happened. And I'm a girl by the way but I still feel really sorry for Rick but not so upset for Kate for the reasons I've already given.
I think they both are at fault. I'm not taking sides. Both are afraid, both are gutless. Equal blame the way I see it. Both have lied, and both have to find forgiveness. Hopefully that's what happens.
DeleteKate lied, but Rick doesn't even want to know why. That's not in character. What happened to wanting the story. Sometimes the writers aren't consistent, and we loyal fans can pick it up.
Totally agree 3.07AM you can pick stuff up that sometimes just doesn't sit right and I don't feel they've been acting that consistently recently, I would think Rick by now would have confronted Kate and the only reason he hasn't, well I think that's stalling by the writers to wait for the finale and it doesn't feel organic but that's just my take on it obviously.
Delete@ Anon 11:00 - What Castle is doing is not intentional, he seriously believes that Kate doesn't love him, so he doesn't know that what he's doing is actually hurting her in any way.
DeleteI agree with Anon 11:27 - Kate hasn't done enough to show him that she loves him, in fact, she was trying to hide it rather, this is obvious when she asks Lanie "Do you think he knows?" in 4x20, as in oh no, I hope he doesn't know. This is all Kate's fault, if she'd been more compromising towards Castle's feelings, this wouldn't have happened. I like watching her chase after him because he's been chasing after her for 4 years. And the sad thing is, I don't think she's doing enough to get him back, I mean she ended up calling Colin last episode.
@ Anon 3:07 and 6:12 - It's true, Rick would search for the full story, but this is HIS story we're talking about, not a random person, and he's almost convinced that she doesn't love him, he clearly does not want to know the ending to his story by talking with her because he thinks it's only going to confirm what he already believes, shattering every bit of hope he has left in him. He's already hurt, talking to her to confirm she doesn't love him will ruin him.
At the end of the day, these two people love each other very much, yes, each show it in different ways (and yes sometimes I wish Kate would compromise more for Rick and step her game), but these two are soulmates and eventually, they'll find a way into each other's arms and they'll look back at this rough patch and laugh about how stupid their actions were and how glad they communicated and figured things out. Frankly, it reminds me of Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth from Pride and Prejudice, both were embarrassed by their faults in the end and after they talked it out, Elizabeth told Darcy to "Think only of the past as its remembrance gives you pleasure".
@ Anon 11:00 - What Rick is doing is not intentional. He seriously believes she doesn't love him so he doesn't know it's hurting him.
Delete@ Anon 11:27 - I agree with you. Kate hasn't done enough to show him she loves him and not enough to get him back. I think she's still a bit in denial and not 100% sure Castle is what she wants. I mean from Lanie's talks, she was still doubting his true character and hoping he didn't know she was crazy about him. I like seeing Kate chase him for once, this is punishment for her and I hope she learns a good lesson from this, that she can't take Castle for granted anymore and she needs to learn to compromise for him. I would hate it if Castle forgives her in 4x21. I want her to make the move to fixing this, not Castle.
@ Anons 3:07 and 6:12 - It's true that Rick would want to search for every piece of the story, but this is HIS story we're talking about, not a random person. He's almost convinced she doesn't love him, he thinks talking to her to find the truth will only confirm what he already believes. He's already hurt, getting a confirmation by her that she doesn't love him will damage him even worse. So at the moment, he's not wanting to talk to her, but if she can step up her game and show him that he was wrong in his conclusions, give him a bit of hope, then maybe he'll be open to talking.
The truth of the matter is, we have two people who truly love each other and who are truly soulmates. Eventually, they'll find their way to each other's arms and laugh about this rough patch in their relationship. It kind of reminds me of Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth from Pride and Prejudice, both felt ashamed at their faults, but after talking about it, Elizabeth told Darcy to forget about what happened and to, "Think only of the past as its remembrance gives you pleasure."
I think y'all have been reading too much fan fiction. I think you've re-written every angsty conversation in every post-ep fic since 47 Seconds. Also, if you're gonna have a comment war, at least sign in. I can't follow this Anon+time stuff. Lol.
DeleteBtw, I agree with the Original comment. I think the writers have taken this childish, hurt Castle thing and stretched it a little thin. Hopefully they have Kate giving him a good Gibbs smack. (oh no, I watch another show, don't throw sticks at me!) :)
Wonder how this will end. Castle walking away again? Castle being mean and brushing her off again? Don't get me wrong, I love the show, but I don't want the least few episodes of the season, or the series, you never know since it hasn't been renewed yet, to be so gloomy, and depressing.
ReplyDeleteI love the way Nathan says his opening line about not getting any inspiration, he sure is still annoyed with Kate and I love it. I hope she is concerned because it's about time she acted and pulled her grown woman pants up, took him by the nose into an interrogation room and fessed up to everything.
ReplyDeleteThat would put Rick out of his misery of believing she doesn't love him and they could get back together. Clearly something happens because they're working together in the next episode but I doubt they talk about anything serious which will be annoying because it's all just leading to everything coming out in the finale which I personally think is poor pacing.
Love Rick and Slaughter together and Rick doing guy stuff with guns and throwing punches - loved the tissue up the nose, could this finally prompt Kate into showing some actual genuine girlfriend style concern for the guy she truly loves? You know like normal women do? I can but dream.
I really hope, this episode could be a nice break from all the Caskett angsty looks between the two of them - I'd rather Rick locked eyes with Slaughter for a while to give me a break after the last two episodes.
Love Nathan and Adam together.
Haha I can really see Beckett pulling Castle by his ears And lead him to somewhere private to talk...but are you sure the interrogation is the best place? The whole precinct would be starring at them behind the one-way glass ;)
DeleteJust coming back to say hell yes Anon 11.06 !
DeleteShe should take him in there, holding him by the nose and then free view for everyone in the interrogation room for their showdown and if they got a kiss out of it (okay that will never happen in this episode) all the better.
I hate it when these two are at odds but right now I'm with Rick on this one, keep acting out until you've blown off your head of steam and go out there and do guy stuff.
He's surrounded by women giving him a hard time usually so he needs to do this - go get em Sherlock! Love Adam Baldwin.
In that scene where he says he's not getting inspiration--is that Beckett in his office he's talking to? The person's hair seemed darker than Martha's or Alexis'. Or am I seeing things?
DeleteI hope it's not Beckett, he seems really angry and mean in this scene. I know he's brokenhearted and feels betrayed but she does not deserve that…
DeleteEspecially if she's at his loft to tell him how she feels.
No I don't think he is talking to her he seems seriously bitter there - he wouldn't be like that to Kate's face. I think it's either Martha or actually Slaughter has turned up at his house after they meet.
Deleteugh so pumped.
ReplyDeleteWhat does Castle say at the very end after Beckett goes "You what!?" in that hilarious-Beckett-tone?
I think its "I love this run and gun police work"
ReplyDeleteYou just know he will be regretting saying that later!
I'd like to see an ending that mirrors the one from Killshot.
ReplyDeleteCastle knew something was wrong with Kate and gave her some space, with a little help from Esposito.
This time it's the other way around. Beckett is the one concerned. I hope she realizes in this ep why he's acting all weird and decides to give him space and time to steam off til he comes back to his senses, wich he will beacause they are together in Undead Again.
In the end, i imagine a sweet Caskett moment. Beckett is making coffee in the break room, Castle walks in. The look at each other, eyes filled with love. They don't say a word but they understand each other.
Kate: How many coffees did you say i owe you ?
Castle : About a hundred...
Kate, giving him the coffee : Here you go. That's one.
Castle : Thank you
Kate : Always
The storm is gone.
Now let's get it on with the good stuff
The US promo has Kate saying oh no what if I waited too long I bet that is her talking to her threipist and he's getting her to open up this will hopefully be what we been waiting for now just tell Castle lol
ReplyDeleteIf I'm not wrong Marlowe said that Castle and Beckett will still be at odds with each other for the next two episodes
ReplyDeletecan anyone tell me what castle says before beckett says "you what!" thanx :)
ReplyDeleteYeah as much as I'm hoping things are better by the end, I doubt it. Marlowe did say that all will only be settled in the finale, so it's still stormy till then. As much as I'm glad they are at this point meaning they will be forced to deal soon, I hate that I'm not enjoying the last few eps of the season. This will be pretty much be like Limey, where they work apart, and castle just blows off Beckett any chance he gets. Fine he is angry and all, but I'm already bored of this storyline. Wish they paced it a little, like at least have them confront their feelings in headhunters, then in undead again, they need to decide what they want, then the finale, they actually take whatever step it is they want to take. Rather than everything coming out in the finale. Beckett needs to grow up a little here, your best friend, partner keeps pushing you away and you're not demanding an explanation. She is too passive, which doesn't make sence because the real Beckett would have dragged him by the ear demanding an explanation by now. I can only hope that headhunters isn't just castle shooting daggers at Beckett and making snide remarks. I don't like vengeful and vindictive castle. Its like he has never not gotten his way and now he is just throwing a tantrum like a brat. It's making this show far less enjoyable than it usually is.
ReplyDeleteya i agree i am bored with story line as well
Deletethy r messin with characters too...
Totally agree with you Anon 12.52AM, I really haven't enjoyed these last two episodes and I find the pacing and apparent story arc of these 5 episodes leading up to the finale rather poor. It seems clear from interviews Marlowe has given that even now they are not going to discuss anything important until the finale.
DeleteSo although they obviously get back together in some way at the end of this episode - still nothing has happened since Rick heard Kate say something in that interrogation room. How can you have four episodes of zero communication between these two and make it look organic?
It just doesn't fly with me, these characters are now behaving off the wall, Kate is apparently totally clueless as to why he's acting up and has no interest in trying to figure it out herself as a detective would, she gets blown off once and she phones up another guy for a drink - what was that about? And Rick is now all passive aggressive with her and refusing to just have it out and get things off his chest and confront her.
Watching these last few episodes have been really tough and I haven't enjoyed them and I don't want to have to watch Castle to get depressed.
I just don't think that putting everything into the finale works for me, they should have paced this all out to give the characters room to breath a little.
Nothing can move this story forward unless they actually talk, I hope Marlowe realises this, right now it's just like treading water watching these two snipe at each other and it saddens me.
Castle- "Muses are to provide inspiration. And right now, I ain't getting any."
ReplyDeleteCommentator- "How do you solve a case of writer's block?"
Castle "I just need something different."
Commentator- "Will take a new partner for a spin."
Castle- "That was awesome! Beckett never drives on the side like that."
Slaughter- "Yell NYPD! The louder the better."
Commentator- "And get your hands dirty."
Castle- "NPYD nobody move!"
Castle- "Little help."
Beckett- "What?!"
Castle; "I love this run and gun police work."
:)
thank you
DeleteI think they should replace characters, Castle should now work with this Slaughter guy. Beckett start to really annoy me, her character is just being neurotic and dumb, if Stana wasnt so gorgeous Beckett character would be completely boring and giving nothing in the show.
ReplyDeleteWould be cool if in the next season Nathan and Adam worked together.
Firefly FTW!!!
That is a neurotic point of view!! Makes me smile...
DeleteHave a good day.
PatHyp
I'm all for it.
DeleteOk this my not be a popular comment.. It's a regular castle episode with a guest star who was more famous in chuck than he ever was in firefly. I watched firefly, it was ok but it ended like ages ago. And Nathan is way more famous now because of castle than he ever was because of firefly. I respect all you fans out there, but this is castle, not firefly, if you want firefly watch the DVD or something, I don't know, but your comment about Beckett and slaughter is sorry to say, downright silly. Stop getting confused between the shows. Just watch how ratings will plummet if ever what you said happened. Though we all know it will never happen, but it's just silly to even suggest.
DeleteBeckett is the way she is for a reason, if you have watched castle from the start you would know that. Marlowe has done a good job portraying her, she is scared and naive when it comes to relationships, she hasn't had a real one in her life. And so yes that can make someone neurotic, but that's life.
Anyway don't mean to offend any firefly fans. Just my two cents.
Here we go with the firefly worshipping. I have nothing against that show, but man I pity Adam Baldwin because all he stands for apparently is firefly. A show that ended after one season. I prefer to talk about him being on chuck.
DeleteDon't mean to be rude but maybe you can go to the firefly spoiler site or website and talk about a show where castle and slighter are partners. I'm sure you will have lots of fans agreeing with you. This however is a castle site about the relationship between caste and Beckett.
LOL, does it make you high to troll every Castle board with the same stupid comment? Didn't you get the same responses for the posters on the ABC forums? Here's an idea, get twitter and worship Adam Baldwin and firefly elsewhere.
DeleteI'm sorry Anon 2:16, I've read a lot of dumb comments on these boards before but yours easily makes the 'top ten' list.
DeleteSeriously, you must be high on dope! Do you even watch castle or are you just randomly making up things?
ReplyDeleteOf course, like I said s1/2 are still the best. Best two-parter, cases were more realistically, fun lines/dialogs, snarky comments and many other things. S3 was half and half. S4 is really crap and two-parter was horrible.
DeleteDont get me wrong. Beckett character was nice in seasons 1/2 kinda badass, snarky remarks and on-liners and she looked like a real cop etc. This season not. Its really boring with her all crap, many people had trauma in their lives and they can live normal. I dont get it why Marlow playing now all the time this 'drama' card.
ReplyDeleteI sometimes have feelings that this 'romantic dance' ruined this show. It was beginned in late s2 and now its really annoying. I dont like moody Castle.
Like Rick from s1/2 would ask "Where is fun in that?"
if you think that those who have had a recent trauma in their lives can live normal ten months later is because you've never had to endure any trauma. What Kate's gone through in the span of a year is not normal. Give her time to heal.
DeleteI have to agree Anon 04.10 AM, I loved seasons 1/2 Kate, she was snarky, serious, vulnerable, a great cop and she didn't have all these ISSUES. Sure she was was terribly upset about her mothers death but she was gradually coming to terms with things and she was opening up more due to Castle but then they had to make her neurotic (that's my take I hasten to add), she has walls and issues upon issues and she seemingly can't function anymore like people have to do every day in this world with a hell of a lot more trauma than she has had.
ReplyDeleteShe's been sitting around for ten months navel gazing from what I can see, a few bouts of PTSD are shown and then disappear and I can't remember when she last went to the shrink so what's up with her really? What are he issues? I have no idea really and I doubt she knows either! Seems just an excuse to hide behind so you don't live.
Seemed to me from her talk with Lanie, until Rick went off with another women she was just happy to wait around. That doesn't sound like someone to me who is still dealing with emotional issues, that sounds suspiciously like a woman who is fine but just doesn't want to do anything that might risk anything emotionally for her. So she seemed happy to just keep Rick as what her work pet?
I wish they would ditch Kate's trauma and her walls because I'm sorry I don't find this stuff entertaining, I don't want to watch a show about a woman constantly having mental health issues. Can we please either get on with the "romantic dance" so it fades into the background more and get back to the fun, the great cases AND Kate and Rick happy and trading romantic, snarky banter with each other. I don't want them bogged down in all this emotional angst and pain.
So hopefully Marlowe realises this with his recent comments about returning to fun, I sure as hope so because I don't want to have to sit through another season of secrets not being told for 23 episodes!
I think secrets/walls/insecurities etc. are like Josh/Gina/Demming in previous seasons. Its just excuses to drag whole season in that way to keeping them apart.
ReplyDeleteI think they missed window to bring them together somewhere after Copps&Robbers.
I agree, the time to get them together organically for me this season was after Cops & Robbers when they really seemed in sync with each other and then everything just stalled for the rest of the season. I guess Kate and her walls are just another reason to halt progress like Josh was or Gina so that'a good way of looking at it I guess.
DeleteI just hope Marlowe hasn't missed his window because you can drag this out too long after a while.
what a horrible fandom....srry but so many of u guys don't get the story it started with castle and kate and will end about kate and castle...
ReplyDeleteDon't watch the show if u don't like it.
It's like AM said, some people just don't get it.
DeleteIt's not a case of not liking it, I love the show but I just don't happen to agree with how this season they've told Kate and Rick's story, I also don't think the pacing and story arc has been that wonderful - these secrets haven't been that exciting a story for me as they've been dormant basically all season.
DeleteI don't see what is horrible about the Castle fandom and think it's wrong to label fans "horrible" if you simply don't agree with them. Please try not to make assumptions just because some fans are not happy and say so, that doesn't mean they don't love the show, it means they care and actually feel they can come here and say something and invite a friendly discussion with people.
Of course this story started with Kate and Rick and will probably end with them but don't you care HOW they get there? Or does it not matter if it takes another seven seasons before anything actually happens seriously betweeen them just as long as it happens? For me the journey is just as important and if I think the journey has grown stale or gone off the tracks at some point there should be no harm in saying that.
Surely all fans of TV shows don't like everything about their favourite show ALL the time? You could like one season and hate the next. Telling them to just switch off and watch something else is rather insulting.
And Anon 6 AM I get it alright, I just don't like what I'm getting right now from Marlowe that's all!
DeleteHopefully I'll feel differently by the time the finale comes around as a long time fan of the show (yes I am fan) I'm looking forward to something positive happening between Kate and Rick after what's been a rather grim few episodes for me.
Anon 6:02 AM you are my hero, well said!
Delete@anon 6:02 AM I couldn't have said it better!
ReplyDeleteCastle seems in way over his head...I am betting that Det. Slaughter will semi-abandon him partway through the episode and Beckett, Ryan, & Espo will need to save his ass xD.
ReplyDeleteEveryone just have a little patience. Yeah these past two episodes weren't fun, but the story is true to the characters. I think this needed to happen to make Kate realize the true value of Castle. She has taken him for granted these past years. I wouldn't be comfortable with them getting together knowing that usually Castle is the one who compromises for her, dropping everything to help her. Would you have truly fangirled without any concerns if they had gotten together after Cops & Robbers knowing how unfair Kate has treated Castle? It's almost been a one-way relationship with only Castle putting the real effort here. So until Kate shows me that she deserves Castle and fights hard to get him back, then I'll feel that now they have an equal two-way relationship, where both deserve each other equally and both put equal effort into making it happen and last. After this rough patch is dealt with, I'll feel comfortable with them getting together.
ReplyDeleteI agree, Anon 7.13 AM, for me it's Rick's that always had to do the heavy lifting so to speak in the relationship, he's the one that's always had to apologise and make up with Kate. She never seems to give an inch to him, it's all one way traffic. For me that is not a healthy relationship and I don't want to see that continue, it's time for Kate to take on some of the load for once and put herself out there. You can't be in a good relationship if you don't both put in the effort needed to make it work.
DeleteSo like you, Kate has to show me that she feels the same way and wants to love and support him like he's supported her, she's got to want to fight for it. She has to go through this pain to come out the other side and realise she's in love and has to act and show how much she loves this guy. I really hope this episode goes some way to doing that.
Guys, lets just sit back and enjoy the ride
ReplyDeleteWill someone please explain the title "Headhunters"? Other titles have fit with the case. Michael Dorn is in this episode.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the last two episodes, we see a comfortable world of Beckett crumbling at her feet. I think with the doctor she will discover that she slipped her secret out in the interogation room and realize Rick had heard her. In some way I feel the doc will bring them back together.
The title 'Headhunters' probably refers to several characters in this episode. The most obvious is the ruthless-looking Det. Slaughter and the drug-dealers he is going after.
DeleteI think a secondary meaning refers to Beckett's shrink "hunting around her head" and finding out what she really wants to do with her life.
Finally, I think "Headhunters" seems like an apt title, since nearly all the characters seem to be at each other's throats...or at least after Castle's head for one reason or another:
-Castle is so angry at Beckett that he leaves her for a new work-partner.
-Beckett, Ryan, & Espo feel betrayed by Castle leaving them.
-Det. Slaughter will probably cause harm to multiple people, including Castle.
-Beckett might go after Det. Slaughter for mistreating Castle.
Well its not about reciprocate feelings. I think Rick would understand if she said something like "I remember what you said but I can't say this to you what you said to me" or something along this line.
ReplyDeleteI think its about how she treated him. After all he is her best friend right?? And NO its not about his big ego. Its about some dignity that everyone has. Look at this from his perspective, he opened and poured his heart and she just threw this out of the window like never existed...
Again FROM HIS POV, he need someone help him to look at this differently, Martha? Maybe Lanie/Esposito?
he opened his heart when she was lying on the floor in a pool of blood after being shot thinking she was going to die. He should have reminded her that he loved her when she came back to the precinct after the summer.
DeleteI just can't see that as a viable option. Beckett is distant and brushes off talk in the hospital, avoids him for three months, and then emphatically tells him she isn't ready for any kind of personal entanglements. Putting aside entirely that it seems the main motivation for her contacting him is for information on the case, do you really think such a declaration then would have gotten a positive response, considering?
DeleteCastle: you're doing it right, but wrongly.
ReplyDeleteBeckett: you did wrong, but now you're doing it better.
Concept of the episode 4x21:
ReplyDeleteWho goes with the lame arrive late!
Wow.
ReplyDeleteI think I might be alone in looking forward to the filler eps before the finale.
I had every expectation Marlowe would drive Beckett and Castle further apart before letting them sweep back together, if only to heighten the stakes. My only real beef with Marlowe & Co. is the pacing they chose for the season, not so much the material given.
S3 had a great cohesiveness to it, a great and constant underlying pulse. That was put into a holding pattern for S4 in the guise of Secrets and Healing. I liked the premise that set up in terms of conundrums for both Castle and Beckett. What I think I began to become impatient with was that these were not even hinted at, even in passing, very often thru the season. Just a reminder here and there that these things were still burbling away as factors in the background, even if the cases were continuing as usual.
Don't get em wrong, Kill Shot & Dial M did touch on Beckett's issues and Rick's Pawn Predicament, but much of the pulse of the show, that these two were trying to find a way to be together, was not really present.
There were some aspects material wise that I didn't enjoy, the Limey being an exemplar of most - I just didn't really like the directions they chose for Rick and Kate's "acting out." It did feel a bit of character defamation rather than how I thought either would really react.
I'm really looking forward to the Firefly Reunion, I'm really looking forward to Zombies. I'm looking forward to a bit more Caskett stewing, and I'm looking forward to Roy Montgomery's widow making an appearance and providing a core-shaking wake-up call for the pair of them.
What looks interesting in Headhunters is that it also seems to show how the whole team is effected by the Caskett drift. The whole NYPD universe is tilting cos these two can't seem to figure it out, lol. The earth further splits and the dead rise to walk again. If they don't clue in soon, pretty soon cats and dogs will be living together and we'll get armageddon, lol.
When Caskett finally put their cards on the table, all will return to normal, such as it is for them. Personally, I'm hoping the card game involves strip poker, but it is a family show after all :p.
Enjoy the ride Kids. The Limey was angst. Headhunters is a boy's night out counterpart to Lanie/Kbex chat. Zombies are the crucible. It's already turned the corner. It gets better.
"It did feel a bit of character defamation rather than how I thought either would really react"
DeleteExactly!!
I just don't buy Castle's reaction to her secret. Not believable. He's never been mean and vindictive and nothing ever has hinted that was in his character. Even when he had ample provocation.
Remember when the actress plays him to get a role as Nikki Heat. He understands and forgive her. There and then with no sulking. And she'd played him like a deck of cards.
Remember when Beckett didn't call him for three months after being shot. He worked on her case for most of the time and then forgave her in the space of one swing ride.
Remember when she lied to him about going away with Demming. He was sad for a day or two then made new plans that didn't include any element of revenge or bitterness.
None of these examples shows vindictive behavior. Both are the complete 180 degree opposite. Instead he has consistently showed us to be big hearted, generous and very forgiving. He's on good terms with both of the ex-wives for goodness sake!
But NOW we are supposed to believe he is going out of his way to say mean things, do mean things and in general behave out of spite??? And not just for a few minutes but for days and weeks?
Well I don't. It just doesn't ring true.
I'm hoping against hope it's all a cunning act by Castle to force Beckett to come clean. He's playing a part. THAT I would believe.
But sadly I don't think that's how it will play out.
Beckett, on the other hand, I do find believable. She's been a total wimp with her emotions & personal life since day one. A complete and delightful opposite to her professional behavior.
DeleteI love the contradiction. Tough, savvy, dangerous as a cop. Complete ninny in her love life. To me that's a lot of the show - Castle's journey to unwrap that contradiction, that mystery.
So to me, her reaction to Castle's abrupt behavior change has been most believable. I hated the moment she called the bad accent duffus to take up his offer of a date. That was the most abject act of cowardice imaginable.
But true to her character from the first three seasons. The difference being that now, at last, she knows it to be a problem that she needs to fix.
God I really hated that call she made, come on Kate! You love this guy (Castle) and yet after getting brushed off you decide to give up and phone a another guy? Talk about weak willed, she's just so childlike in her private life and unsure it's almost not realistic for me. I still love her but right now she bugs me quite a bit with her passive attitude to going out there and staking her claim to her man!
DeleteGo on girl go get him! If she doesn't shift herself soon he will be off with that blonde for good. I just hope you're right and she now realises that if she doesn't step up soon and say something Rick is gone and frankly I don't blame him.
@ Anon 12:09 - In Castle's defense, he hasn't really said anything really mean directly to her. He seriously believes she doesn't love him, so he doesn't think what he's saying or doing should be hurting her in any way. Also, I love how forgiving Castle is too, but at the same time, I've been waiting for the moment for him to take a stand and not let people take him for granted because he's forgiving and kind. The truth is, Kate is not just any other woman he can forgive easily, she's the love of his life. So if he forgives and lets go easily, it means he didn't really care in the first place or the harm done to him was no big deal at all and nothing to dwell on. But this time, it's different, the harm is done by Kate and he cares and it hurts in a way no other person can hurt him. So him behaving out of character is exactly what I would expect. If he didn't behave like this and forgave her in an instance, I'd be worried if he loved her at all. He's been forgiving her all these years, giving her time and space, he's just had enough now, calling her off for how she treats him unfairly. At the moment, he's not even thinking logically, he's letting his emotions drive him.
Delete@ Anon 1:40 - I also hated the fact that Kate called Colin at the end, but I also have a feeling that Kate believes she's not good enough for Castle and that he deserves better than her, so when he says "I need fun and uncomplicated", she actually agrees with him, that's why she lets him go and doesn't say anything in defense. She loves him enough to let him go and be happy with someone who won't make him wait and hurt him like she has. In a way, it's brave and loving of her. But still, it was only a few seconds after that she called Colin, it still bothered me.
He didn't say anything mean to her? So I imagined the "fun and uncomplicated" line? Wow!
DeleteThis is the guy who read her as wounded in the very first episode. This is the guy who slowly discovered the reason for her to be the way she is. This is the guy who witnessed that she would rather sacrifice herself and die together with Montgomery than to lose another person she loves in the hangar. This is the guy who was the closest to her when she laid there and was about to die.
He is the one who knows exactly that while she may be "fun" on occasion she never will be "uncomplicated". And he knows damn well why it is so.
And you're telling me that this line was unintentional? Sorry, I don't believe that for ONE second. It was IMO a deliberate "F*** OFF with all your issues" to Kate.
Having criticized the writers for their portrayal of rejected Castle, to be fair we must offer up more plausible alternatives.
DeleteThat's hard to do.
In season 2, Castle was faced with an identical choice. He saw and heard Kate commit to Deming right in front of him (Castle) with zero chance of misunderstanding. This clearly hurt his still forming feelings for Beckett. So what does he do? He exercises his big heart and figures Kate would be happier without him around and removes himself to the Hamptons for the summer (actually for ever because he fails to see any reason to go back until he hears Deming has been dumped).
Well we can't have Castle do that this time. Not much of a show with him gone 4 episodes too soon.
Instead of the Hamptons, can we keep away from the precinct but still in the show? Yes we could, we could invent a storyline that keeps him home to research a new book that gets him into mad scrapes. Or some other excuse. But if he does that, how can he keep his solemn promise to stay close to Beckett to protect her from the Dragon? He can't.
So he has to stay in town and he has to go to the precinct on a daily basis to guard Beckett.
At the same time as trying to get feelings about her out of his system.
Yikes. Tough problem.
Anon3:02pm Thank you!! That line was so intentional to hurt her. My only 2 questions are people were mad how quickly Kate called up Colin, don't get me wrong I was too, but how can she fight for him if he won't tell her the freaking problem?! Ya she's a detective, but rick's the writer. He always wants to know the story but he won't even hear her side of it. The dude has a right to be pissed, but if he doesn't want to confront her, then either admit you love her, and face her or stop saying mean things if you won't let her know why you have a right to be mad. I mean seriously? Come on rick. I'm all for Kate chasing him and fighting fir him but she can't really fix anything unless he freaking tells her. My other question is what's happening with the murder board?? Rick says the love switch is off and that he only goes to the precinct for the victims, but then what is he using to justify the murder board. He kept it because he loves her and wants to protect her, he still loves her, but he is pushing her away now. I'm not saying that he would just give her the info and be like try not to die. But trying to keep her safe because he loves her and can't stand to live without her, shouldn't he give it to somebody else then if he doesn't want to be in her personal life? Isnt that what made his secret so selfless? And how can he just forget all the moments they shared after her secret with being a one writer girl, and the talk on the swings? Kate will need to fight for him and fix this after she finds out what's wrong. Rick will need to hear her out, and tell her. And also not make intental mean comments. Seriously fun and uncomplicated?! That was like him saying have fun with your issues. Not!
DeleteHeadhunters are a type of companies interested in one particular figure: the skilled worker, executive or manager who is.
ReplyDeleteIs there any possibility of uploading a clearer version of the CTV promo?I'm not being able to underestand all of It;just a few sentences
ReplyDeleteahahaha you GET 'UM CASTLE! you deserve some fun dammit!
ReplyDeleteI must confess...I find it strangely HOT that Castle punches someone!! ;)
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